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Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Post by alan_cx »

hysterix wrote: post #28
ankitml wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isnt this a general behavior of typical stereotype american? Most of them believes America as theland of the law and anything else is savagery.

What an utterly useless post. I had to double check I was on ycombinator and not reddit after reading this. Isn't this a general behavior of typical sterotype (you can't even speak english correctly) european? Most them believes europe as theland of the law and anything else is savagery. Why even bother making posts like these? We get it, america and therefore vicariously all americans are horrible people, the devil,…

Um...er.....I do hate to say it, but you've kinda proved the point of the post you called useless.

Ironic that your post is equally useless, but much longer. So, even more than "utterly useless". Which suggests that, yes, you do need to move on with your life.

Now, I have to sit and think about how useless this reply might be. See what you have started?

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Post by sksksk »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #13
cleverjake wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I worked for a data center/ISP, there would be occasional government calls. The protocol was to get the persons name, then call them back through the official list of contact numbers (FBI, NSA, CIA, etc).

Also a good strategy when your bank / insurance agency, etc. calls

There's an old scam that's been going round, where a person calls up a mark claiming to be from their bank.

They say that there are some security issues with their bank account and for security reasons, they should call the phone number on the back of their credit card.

The mark hangs the phone up, but the scammer stays on the line and plays a dial tone the line, when the mark picks the phone up, they hear a ring tone and then dial the number. The user thinks that they have got through to the bank, but really they are on the phone to the scammer.

From that point, they scammer has the mark's trust and can do all sorts of damage.

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Post by jacquesm »

I call bs on this one, time will tell. Lennard Zwart is a guy who clearly has an economic interest in playing the 'don't host in the US' card. He wrote another article in 2012 about this with the same angle (see below, hit google translate if you can't read Dutch) and is totally vague about the call, does not explain why a C level exec would receive a call like that and did not report on making the required effort to verify the caller was indeed from the NSA.

http://www.isptoday.nl/opinie/overheid-moet-duidelijkheid-ge...

I've received a number of calls over the years from people claiming to be law enforcement, and a whole bunch of email to boot, only a very small fraction of those were actual law enforcement on sanctioned missions, the rest were just impersonators and to do a first round of verification is par for the course in cases like this. "She said so" is not nearly good enough.

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Post by jacquesm »

sksksk wrote: post #32
TallGuyShort wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also a good strategy when your bank / insurance agency, etc. calls

There's an old scam that's been going round, where a person calls up a mark claiming to be from their bank. They say that there are some security issues with their bank account and for security reasons, they should call the phone number on the back of their credit card. The mark hangs the phone up, but the scammer stays on the line and plays a dial tone the line, when the mark picks the phone up, they hear a ring ton…

It's an interesting story but the phone system doesn't actually work that way.

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Post by jacquesm »

alexchamberlain wrote: post #2

Why would the NSA think that data in the Netherlands was covered by US legislation!?!

They don't and this story is likely bogus, smart marketing on the part of the lead character in the story who managed to get the name of his company out front on a hot button issue.

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Post by bcoates »

jacquesm wrote: post #34
sksksk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an old scam that's been going round, where a person calls up a mark claiming to be from their bank. They say that there are some security issues with their bank account and for security reasons, they should call the phone number on the back of their credit card. The mark hangs the phone up, but the scammer stays on the line and plays a dial tone the line, when the mark picks the phone up, they hear a ring ton…

It's an interesting story but the phone system doesn't actually work that way.

I haven't used a landline in years now, but when I was a kid it worked that way: one end hanging up wouldn't disconnect the circuit, and if the other end took the phone off-hook shortly afterwards it'd still be connected.

This would sometimes wind up being the deciding factor in the eternal battle of "which sibling gets to use the phone"

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Post by sksksk »

jacquesm wrote: post #34
sksksk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an old scam that's been going round, where a person calls up a mark claiming to be from their bank. They say that there are some security issues with their bank account and for security reasons, they should call the phone number on the back of their credit card. The mark hangs the phone up, but the scammer stays on the line and plays a dial tone the line, when the mark picks the phone up, they hear a ring ton…

It's an interesting story but the phone system doesn't actually work that way.

It does, at least in the UK

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Post by bcoates »

ankitml wrote: post #11
alexchamberlain wrote: post #2

Why would the NSA think that data in the Netherlands was covered by US legislation!?!

Isnt this a general behavior of typical stereotype american? Most of them believes America as theland of the law and anything else is savagery.

Playing into Dutch stereotypes of what Americans are like would indicate that the story is more likely fake, no?

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Post by mindcrime »

jacquesm wrote: post #34
sksksk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an old scam that's been going round, where a person calls up a mark claiming to be from their bank. They say that there are some security issues with their bank account and for security reasons, they should call the phone number on the back of their credit card. The mark hangs the phone up, but the scammer stays on the line and plays a dial tone the line, when the mark picks the phone up, they hear a ring ton…

It's an interesting story but the phone system doesn't actually work that way.

It did at one time, and could still in some places. I can recall growing up in rural North Carolina in the late 70's and early 80's, when one party staying on the line, after the other hand hung up, would keep the connection open.

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Post by alexchamberlain »

hysterix wrote: post #28
ankitml wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isnt this a general behavior of typical stereotype american? Most of them believes America as theland of the law and anything else is savagery.

What an utterly useless post. I had to double check I was on ycombinator and not reddit after reading this. Isn't this a general behavior of typical sterotype (you can't even speak english correctly) european? Most them believes europe as theland of the law and anything else is savagery. Why even bother making posts like these? We get it, america and therefore vicariously all americans are horrible people, the devil,…

Actually, a lot of Europeans think they aren't European and in fact anyone outside their own country is a savage.

Stereotypes have their uses, but let's be careful throwing them around at people.

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