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Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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When I worked for a data center/ISP, there would be occasional government calls. The protocol was to get the persons name, then call them back through the official list of contact numbers (FBI, NSA, CIA, etc).

Also a good strategy when your bank / insurance agency, etc. calls

Yep. The broad principle is never to give out account numbers, your social/government ID number, or any other such thing on a call you didn't initiate.

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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When you host internet services, it doesn't take too long before one of your users do something that leads to police investigation. So that's quite normal, unfortunately. There are also unofficial & malicious requests, like 'private investigators' simply trying to grab data.

Just tell them that they don't have any authority, and you're not interested to hear any manipulative reasoning. - Have a nice day.

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Isn't the Netherlands under even worse surveillance than the US? There were many top posts on HN over the last week suggesting this.

Relatively, we probably have the highest number of phone taps in the world. In total there probably are over 25.000 phone numbers being tapped. Also, metadata of different types of communications are stored.

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Isnt this a general behavior of typical stereotype american? Most of them believes America as theland of the law and anything else is savagery.

If the superpowers weren't countries but were instead the search engines of today then we could probably agree upon who would be Google and who would be Bing and so on. Do Google's users generally care about Bing, what Bing does, or what Bing thinks? (To stretch the metaphor almost to the point of breaking.) Most of Google's users don't think of Bing as a savage search engine but they do consider it irrelevant.

^non-american citizens are people, how can you compare them with irrelevant search results?

People outside have their own dreams, aspirations. Maybe their dreams are bigger than just building a photo sharing app.

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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post #23

Isn't the Netherlands under even worse surveillance than the US? There were many top posts on HN over the last week suggesting this.

Relatively, we probably have the highest number of phone taps in the world. In total there probably are over 25.000 phone numbers being tapped. Also, metadata of different types of communications are stored.

The scary word here is "probably", because the government consistently refuses to release that data.

Although I'm fairly confident we're gonna win the legal and political battle over that issue in time. The Dutch government may be no better than that of the US on an ethical level, the legal balance between privacy protection and state secrecy is very different.

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Why would the NSA think that data in the Netherlands was covered by US legislation!?!

Isnt this a general behavior of typical stereotype american? Most of them believes America as theland of the law and anything else is savagery.

What an utterly useless post. I had to double check I was on ycombinator and not reddit after reading this.

Isn't this a general behavior of typical sterotype (you can't even speak english correctly) european? Most them believes europe as theland of the law and anything else is savagery.

Why even bother making posts like these? We get it, america and therefore vicariously all americans are horrible people, the devil, and should be wiped off the face of the earth. We get it, europeans hates americans. Can we all move on with our lives now?

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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Why would the NSA think that data in the Netherlands was covered by US legislation!?!

They don't. Just like a police officer doesn't need you to tell him how fast you were going (hint: he knows). It just works sometimes, which is a lot easier than going through the normal process, and worth a shot.

The NSA officer didn't hang up the phone and think "How dare he refuse to cooperate, it's the law!". Instead she thought "darn, that didn't work" and then called the next phone number on her list...

Re: NSA gets no reply in Dutch cloud provider

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the superpowers weren't countries but were instead the search engines of today then we could probably agree upon who would be Google and who would be Bing and so on. Do Google's users generally care about Bing, what Bing does, or what Bing thinks? (To stretch the metaphor almost to the point of breaking.) Most of Google's users don't think of Bing as a savage search engine but they do consider it irrelevant.

^non-american citizens are people, how can you compare them with irrelevant search results? People outside have their own dreams, aspirations. Maybe their dreams are bigger than just building a photo sharing app.

I didn't make that comparison. I compared citizens to a search engine's loyal users.
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