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Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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The article misses a rather large point: We (meaning the tech elite) are the first army in human history to be less concerned with the acquisition of power and control and more about giving that empowerment to the individuals we fight for. Hear me out. Those of us over the age of 30 are mostly digital immigrants. We remember a world without CallerID, a PC in every office, and a global network interconnecting all the…

"first army in human history to be less concerned with the acquisition of power and control and more about giving that empowerment to the individuals we fight for"

That sounds incredible egocentric. Under what standard do you exclude all suffragettes and all abolitionists from this category?

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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The article misses a rather large point: We (meaning the tech elite) are the first army in human history to be less concerned with the acquisition of power and control and more about giving that empowerment to the individuals we fight for. Hear me out. Those of us over the age of 30 are mostly digital immigrants. We remember a world without CallerID, a PC in every office, and a global network interconnecting all the…

Army? Give me a break!

We developed our own morality in a vacuum..

Sorry, there are plenty of old-timey hackers I worked with at telcos that were happy to look up phone records and just generally mess with stuff, including people's privacy. When they got old enough to fear losing their jobs or saw the new system with auditing in place they stopped.

Your comment sounds too much like hagiography to me.

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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The article misses a rather large point: We (meaning the tech elite) are the first army in human history to be less concerned with the acquisition of power and control and more about giving that empowerment to the individuals we fight for. Hear me out. Those of us over the age of 30 are mostly digital immigrants. We remember a world without CallerID, a PC in every office, and a global network interconnecting all the…

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Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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Software developers generally occupy positions of considerable (if unacknowledged) power and trust within their organizations. The practice of software development necessarily involves dealing with minutiae in large quantities; in making making dozens of mostly small (but consequential) decisions each day. In aggregate, the effect of these decisions can be (and often is) of enormous import to the business or organiza…

>>Most organizations management structures are staffed with individuals who tend to emphasise and practice...communication and persuasion If only. More like "do it this way cause I say." Looking back at some of the places I've worked, it would be a pleasure if this were more true.

Well, that happens a lot too.

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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The article misses a rather large point: We (meaning the tech elite) are the first army in human history to be less concerned with the acquisition of power and control and more about giving that empowerment to the individuals we fight for. Hear me out. Those of us over the age of 30 are mostly digital immigrants. We remember a world without CallerID, a PC in every office, and a global network interconnecting all the…

Well, the term "army" implies a great deal more control and coordination than I currently see in place. Mind you, if we did organize, it would scare the bejezus out of the authorities.

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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post #6

Very light article, with a half-assed counterpoint... shame. Could have been more. I'd love for there to be a strong correlation between technical skills and opposition to authoritarianism... that would certainly help us in the battle against technologically-driven dystopias.

NSA hires the best nerds.

DoD hires all the scientists. The ones who don't get hired, go to pharmaceuticals (which have an excellent track record of morally dubious acts).

Nerds that I have have met or seen in mailing lists, have a strong co-relation with totalitarianism aka evil sysadmins.

I would like to call a distinction b/w Aron who is first and foremost a philosophy-geek, something that all idealists have in common.

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post #4

A nice quote from Jefferson that I spotted in the comments: "[a] strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property…

The quote is nice but it's a great justification for illegal/unconstitutional actions. Those in power can do a lot of harm while abusing this idea.

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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This article is prone to the "Availability Bias"

We tend to believe something is true when examples confirming it are easily available to fetch from our memories.

This has been exploited for example by telling people to think about 12 situations where they were rude. People end up believing they are rude when they can easily come up with example situations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic

Re: Hackers vs. suits: Why nerds become leakers

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I don't exactly agree with the author, but I will say that he might have something.

Having the ability and constantly programming I have noticed that I have trouble understanding why people do the things that they do. I LOVE the feeling of making a dot move across the screen, or changing the font, or really anything that manipulates something on the screen. I love the feeling of achievement the ability to construct something out of nothing.

Most businessmen, politicians, managers, their world is built around getting other people to do their work for them by any means necessary. I don't disagree with them that its a good idea, but their goal is to get the job done, half the time they don't even know nor care if it is done "right."

The point is that people who get to build, manipulate, the movers of a society, they usually don't deal with politics, manager, or try to explore. They just want to keep building, they enjoy it, they (including me) love to build and wouldn't sacrifice it to manage someone else.

All of that being said, yes programmers (including me) in general don't like a centralized government/management because in their eyes it is something that takes away from their ability to achieve. Perhaps I am speaking to generally, but from the people I have met they seem to rather live by building than by trying to manipulate the builders. So to me (and others I have met) it is disgusting to be watched and manipulated, we all want to be free to build and taking that away (or threatening to take that way via surveillance or manipulation by the government) is a sin.

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