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In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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Microsoft is the complete opposite of Facebook's "Move fast and break things". And that's a good thing, in a lot of ways. When entire companies (industries?) are dependent on you: slow & steady to get it right is much, much better than moving quickly to integrate the newest technology.

How is Microsoft slow and steady when he just told you they have poor code quality, no docs, etc.

> no docs

I suggest the OP just fire up the MSDN.

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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Okay - I will elaborate a bit. Fortune 500 companies tend to be trigger happy lately and not backing their employees. You saw what happened with the #dealwithit guy. And that was for sentiment the whole company backs because it just happened to be true. If Snowden did not leave the US so fast we would all agree that this would have been stupid. Not the leak but not taking the basic precautions. Also he is not having…

> Fortune 500 companies tend to be trigger happy lately and not backing their employees. All the more reason to speak his mind rather than try and feign some sort of loyalty to the man, which will never be returned.

Better to speak one's mind anonymously to avoid becoming unemployable in the process.

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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> This is a person at his first job out of college and he's been there for less than a year. And yet he has the audacity to say "I learned that one will see this sort of problems in all large scale companies."? Really? This is absurd. Can you just learn from his experience that he describes, and get over an inconsequential phrase at a tiny part of the post? Even if it's not applicable "everywhere", it's a nice descri…

> Are you fucking kidding me? That's what 21 year olds do. Not all, i have the pleasure of working with some 20-22 year olds who would be very unlikely to make such a statement.

Is thinking these problems are likely common across all gigantic companies really so egregious?

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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Also, worthwhile to note that this guy is an SDET and not an SDE at Microsoft. VAST difference in quality between the two disciplines.

Hey there, author of the post here. Yes I believe there are different realities in Dev and Test organizations and this may be the pure source of my experience (in both positive and negative aspects). Thanks for pointing that out.

You should add that to your blog :)

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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Publishing something that HR/PR can consider slander under your real name while being junior developer is not a recipe for stable employment. These guys tend to freak out over minor stuff like that. Lets hope it does not have negative consequences. Otherwise familiar - these companies are like supertankers - move slowly and few people are empowered to make meaningful decisions and contributions. Worked for a few year…

Getting fired from a job that sounds as miserable as his description depicts seems like a good thing to me. It's not like he'll have trouble finding a new one.

A prospective future employer will likely be concerned he'll openly write about that employer too. Thus, passed over.

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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There's a ton of wrong with that statements tone, not that I think the author meant it that way, but I'll point it out regardless: #1 - The majority of HN seems to involve typical latests web crud app fads. It's probably also not that interesting to *nix system developers either, though many might read it for the apps being created as opposed to the how. #2 - Having MongoDB on your CV generally means you're developin…

Microsoft is the complete opposite of Facebook's "Move fast and break things". And that's a good thing, in a lot of ways. When entire companies (industries?) are dependent on you: slow & steady to get it right is much, much better than moving quickly to integrate the newest technology.

Interestingly, many companies including mine are dependent on Facebook and their APIs. They do move fast and break things, and we feel the pain of it practically every day.

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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post #181

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Hey there, author of the post here. Yes I am an SDET but what does this change? Are SDETs supposed to go through all this experience? Why nobody is fixing this? So if people are escaping from being a Test engineer, what can we infer about current test engineers?

I tend to agree with your post as I have been through what you are going through. I still regret taking the SDET role. In general SDETs do a lot of janitor kind of work. Cleaning up after the Devs and PMs. At the end of the day what everyone cares is that you have tested everything and not how you do it. I used to do a lot of system admin kind of work i.e. setting up machines, installing OS, running scripts, running…

I spent 3 years as an sdet; loved it! Know for sure that my dev skills were superior to the senior sde's. know this coz I wrote their code on more than one occasion.

Been at msft twice - first team was shit, second was awesome. Impossible to make blanket statements, the org is just too big.

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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Working past 6 should be considered absurd unless you start at 10 or 11.. There's a world out there for you to enjoy, and many people fought hard for workers rights so we don't have kill ourselves over work.

I agree if you're working in some drone farm. Without a personal stake, why do people feel enthusiastic about following orders that keep them locked up at work all day? I understand that there may be coercion, like the threat of being fired, but if you're just writing software for your company, where does the enthusiasm for long hours come in? I'm freelance, and I love working on my projects. I often work long hours.…

Sometimes I work noon-10pm at Google. Because I feel like it. What's the problem? :-)

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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> This is a person at his first job out of college and he's been there for less than a year. And yet he has the audacity to say "I learned that one will see this sort of problems in all large scale companies."? Really? This is absurd. Can you just learn from his experience that he describes, and get over an inconsequential phrase at a tiny part of the post? Even if it's not applicable "everywhere", it's a nice descri…

> Are you fucking kidding me? That's what 21 year olds do. Not all, i have the pleasure of working with some 20-22 year olds who would be very unlikely to make such a statement.

Sure, not all.

That goes without saying as the intended meaning for every* use of "everybody", "nobody", "every", "all" etc in normal conversation. Those are statistical qualifiers, not absolutes.

(*well, almost every -- which reinforces my point).

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