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Re: Opera Mail – standalone mail client

#101

Post by Mithaldu »

pestaa wrote: post #24
bobsy wrote: post #22

Look at all the comments under the announcement. Really sum's up how I feel as well. A selling point of Opera was the built in email client. I liked how Opera used to be a silo for a whole bunch of features. When you closed it the rest closed as well. Was a great way to turn off work. Now we have ANOTHER fairly generic stand alone email client. ANOTHER fairly generic webkit browser. If it wasn't branded with an Opera…

I, for one, give a shit because I need a standalone email client that fits my workflow better than what we have now (I use Thunderbird nowadays). The Opera logo is merely just encouraging me to check it out.

You could've had that all this time already by simply installing Opera 12.15 into its own directory and using it only for mail.

Re: Opera Mail – standalone mail client

#102

Post by Mithaldu »

derefr wrote: post #61
bobsy wrote: post #22

Look at all the comments under the announcement. Really sum's up how I feel as well. A selling point of Opera was the built in email client. I liked how Opera used to be a silo for a whole bunch of features. When you closed it the rest closed as well. Was a great way to turn off work. Now we have ANOTHER fairly generic stand alone email client. ANOTHER fairly generic webkit browser. If it wasn't branded with an Opera…

> a silo for a whole bunch of features. When you closed it the rest closed as well. Was a great way to turn off work. Honestly, it sounds like you want an OS running in a virtual machine. Nobody is going to pursue your ideal "monolithic productivity suite that does everything" path; it's just a plain-bad idea.

> it's just a plain-bad idea.

That's a very nice opinion, but without actually qualifying why you think that way it has nothing to do with reality.

Re: Opera Mail – standalone mail client

#103

Post by Mithaldu »

faaaah wrote: post #98
rch wrote: post #63

I'd like to hear the full story on how Opera self-destructed as a company. Someone should write a book or something.

Why do you think Opera self-destructed? They announced their quarterly financial results a couple of weeks ago, and they set another revenue and profit record. They're basically growing on all fronts, have plenty of cash in the bank, and are growing their profits. So again, what self-destruction are you referring to?

They just announced that Opera 12 will be discontinued, with Opera 15 being a Chrome fork in which they will attempt to reimplement features from Opera 12. They also announced that several features which people liked a lot will never make it into Opera 15. And to put the cherry on the top: The very first feature that they announced removed were "Bookmarks".

In other words: They're very busy alienating massive parts of their user base.

Re: Opera Mail – standalone mail client

#104

Post by odinho »

treenyc wrote: post #86
eli wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a bug, I'd suggest you report it.

When I download the mail it says: "Thank you for choosing Opera browser. We hope you enjoy it." Should it be Opera Mail, not browser.

Yes it should :-) I had to do quite a bit of research to find out who maintains that page and could update it. But found them in the end and that papercut is reported. I'll check it again tomorrow to see if it has been fixed :-)

Re: Opera Mail – standalone mail client

#105

Post by derefr »

Mithaldu wrote: post #102
derefr wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a silo for a whole bunch of features. When you closed it the rest closed as well. Was a great way to turn off work. Honestly, it sounds like you want an OS running in a virtual machine. Nobody is going to pursue your ideal "monolithic productivity suite that does everything" path; it's just a plain-bad idea.

> it's just a plain-bad idea. That's a very nice opinion, but without actually qualifying why you think that way it has nothing to do with reality.

Because an operating system is a good idea, and a monolithic do-everything productivity suite subverts the point of an operating system by creating a very limited, hard-coded, non-extensible OS on top of the OS, reimplementing half of what the OS already does, but poorly, failing to interact with any components not distributed with the suite, and not allowing for any of the things modern OSes allow for (multi-display MDI support, for example, or package management.) There is no justification for having two redundant layers of OS; anything the suite does in terms of integration (for example, a clipboard implementation), could be converted to an OS feature of the parent system and used to integrate anything with anything.

And if you really think the do-everything productivity suite is the one with the right ideas and the OS you're running is the one that's screwed-up--well, then, there's still no reason to run two layers; instead, what should be done is to expand the productivity suite into an OS. Like Chromium OS and Firefox OS are currently in the process of.

Re: Opera Mail – standalone mail client

#106

Post by Mithaldu »

derefr wrote: post #105
Mithaldu wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's just a plain-bad idea. That's a very nice opinion, but without actually qualifying why you think that way it has nothing to do with reality.

Because an operating system is a good idea, and a monolithic do-everything productivity suite subverts the point of an operating system by creating a very limited, hard-coded, non-extensible OS on top of the OS, reimplementing half of what the OS already does, but poorly, failing to interact with any components not distributed with the suite, and not allowing for any of the things modern OSes allow for (multi-display…

And now comes the part where you explain to me how i combine Firefox and Thunderbird into one app such that i can have various emails open in first-class-citizen tabs alongside web pages. Since apparently Firefox does such an amazing job of it.

Re: Opera Mail – standalone mail client

#107

Post by faaaah »

Mithaldu wrote: post #103
faaaah wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think Opera self-destructed? They announced their quarterly financial results a couple of weeks ago, and they set another revenue and profit record. They're basically growing on all fronts, have plenty of cash in the bank, and are growing their profits. So again, what self-destruction are you referring to?

They just announced that Opera 12 will be discontinued, with Opera 15 being a Chrome fork in which they will attempt to reimplement features from Opera 12. They also announced that several features which people liked a lot will never make it into Opera 15. And to put the cherry on the top: The very first feature that they announced removed were "Bookmarks". In other words: They're very busy alienating massive parts o…

You don't seem to understand what's going on.

Most Opera users are on mobile, not desktop. Opera is struggling on desktop. Sites weren't working, and that was the #1 problem with the browser. Fixing that will let them grow. Opera's got nothing to lose on the desktop. They can only gain users by doing this, even if a handful of hardcore users drop them.

Most people don't need most features in Opera 12, but they're just getting started with the new Opera. Now they can create a proper foundation instead of this:

http://www.favbrowser.com/opera-the-past-the-present-the-fut...

Opera 15 is not a fork of Chrome either. It's using Chrome (Chromium) as-is, but with a new user interface on top of it.

In other words: They may alienate a small hardcore group, but fixing site compatibility will more than make up for it because other people can finally start using it.

Re: Opera Mail – standalone mail client

#108

Post by Mithaldu »

faaaah wrote: post #107
Mithaldu wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They just announced that Opera 12 will be discontinued, with Opera 15 being a Chrome fork in which they will attempt to reimplement features from Opera 12. They also announced that several features which people liked a lot will never make it into Opera 15. And to put the cherry on the top: The very first feature that they announced removed were "Bookmarks". In other words: They're very busy alienating massive parts o…

You don't seem to understand what's going on. Most Opera users are on mobile, not desktop. Opera is struggling on desktop. Sites weren't working, and that was the #1 problem with the browser. Fixing that will let them grow. Opera's got nothing to lose on the desktop. They can only gain users by doing this, even if a handful of hardcore users drop them. Most people don't need most features in Opera 12, but they're jus…

Check their financial reports, desktop is 25% of their income: http://business.opera.com/company/investors/finance/

> Opera 15 is not a fork of Chrome either.

Are you thenwhat? Just on the off-chance that you're not him: What you described is exactly what a fork is. Please don't try to comment on software development until you've actually gained the experience that job entails.

Re: Opera Mail – standalone mail client

#109

Post by faaaah »

Mithaldu wrote: post #108
faaaah wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't seem to understand what's going on. Most Opera users are on mobile, not desktop. Opera is struggling on desktop. Sites weren't working, and that was the #1 problem with the browser. Fixing that will let them grow. Opera's got nothing to lose on the desktop. They can only gain users by doing this, even if a handful of hardcore users drop them. Most people don't need most features in Opera 12, but they're jus…

Check their financial reports, desktop is 25% of their income: http://business.opera.com/company/investors/finance/ > Opera 15 is not a fork of Chrome either. Are you thenwhat? Just on the off-chance that you're not him: What you described is exactly what a fork is. Please don't try to comment on software development until you've actually gained the experience that job entails.

Desktop is a smaller and smaller part of their income. It could disappear tomorrow, and the company would still be in great shape. It's growing all over the place. So again, claiming that Opera self-destructed is silly.

Thenwhat? Huh? A fork is taking the code in a new direction and making it differ from the original. Using the code as-is, is not a fork.

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