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Re: iOS 7

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Post by MsFuntereds »

jmduke wrote: post #34

Man, iOS 7 feedback is incredibly frustrating for no reason that actually matters. I feel like I spent the past few years falling in love with flat design, on mobile and on the web -- and I read article after article from historically pro-Apple bloggers/authors explaining that no, flat design was fundamentally a bad move: the strongest metaphor is that of the phone as a tool -- that we needed skeumorphism, we need hi…

Out of all the 'historically pro-Apple bloggers/authors' John Siracusa stands out as an exception: on the [recent episode of the ATP podcast](http://atp.fm/episodes/17-cant-innovate-anymore) (starts at 34:55) he gave proper credit to Windows Phone for paving the way — even though he's a confessed Microsoft hater.

Matt Gemmell's continual dismissal of the Microsoft designers who created Metro is incredibly disrespectful. He's repeatedly made snide remarks about Metro as merely change for the sake of being different. Given the [sweat, blood and tears](http://mashable.com/2012/03/29/microsoft-metro-is-a-philosop...) that it for the Metro UI folk to convince the execs at Microsoft to take design seriously, it's dispiriting to see a loud voice in the community like Gemmell be so snarky and flippant.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by daughart »

Flying_Dwarf wrote: post #122
daughart wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People on here are nuts. How are the new gradients any different than the old gradients?! Any more "childish"?! (Look at the Messages app for example.) Is there any consistency between the old Voice Memos, Apple Store, Videos, iTunes, and Stocks apps? Do these icons really strike you as fundamentally better than the new ones?

> People on here are nuts. Funny, I think people who LIKE this design are nuts. People are nuts indeed! > How are the new gradients any different than the old gradients?! OMG?!?111 Well, it's not that the gradients are different, it's that the colors are bright and vivid and each icon has little distinction from the next. Oh, and it looks like something my 6-year-old nephew would draw with his colored pencil set.

I appreciate that you cleverly responded to my incredulity being expressed via interrobang with an internet-styled typo, but I still find your argument unconvincing.

If you look at the icons I mentioned, Voice Memos, Apple Store, Stocks, Videos, iTunes, Game Center, etc., they too are bright and vivid and have small inconsistencies. Why is the radial effect different between Apple Store and iTunes? Why is the light source for Videos different from Stocks?

The only difference between these icons and the new ones is that the old ones looked like they were designed by a self-important designer, thinking, "How much arbitrary detail can I pack in this icon?", rather than your extremely talented nephew.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by snowwrestler »

bcks wrote: post #2

Why yes, I would like to enhance text legibility: http://i.imgur.com/5XhQsM9.png

If I built iOS 7, I would have created these settings specifically for the dev beta and instrumented them. Knowing that 58% of dev users turn on the extra legibility setting is good info for how heavy to make the text in the production release.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by kmfrk »

kraemate wrote: post #24

I cant believe how quickly UI and design have fallen now that Jobs is gone. Things like childish gradients and terrible icons. Don't even get me started on the contrast -- light text on fluorescent green background and the really thin font. I could only draw one conclusion from the comparison of iOS 6 vs 7 --- it's as if Apple has done everything possible to make it unusable. Steve would probably have fired the taste…

The redesign is broken, but part of the motivation was cleaning up after the felt, wood, and leather fetisch, even though Forstall somehow managed to get all the blame for that.

Steve Jobs was probably great on a more holistic design level, and that's the sense of design awareness we tend to give him credit for. It still allowed weird and outright design trends every now and then, though, but not in a way that tainted the entirety of the design.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by blub »

threeseed wrote: post #65
smacktoward wrote: post #27

iOS 7 foregoes borders, instead relying on colour to indicate interactivity Good thing there aren't people out there who are color-blind, then... Oh, wait.

There is a high contrast mode. And the entire web mainly uses color to differentiate between links and normal text ie. many omit the underlining. So not sure what makes iOS so different in this regard.

Not underlining links is a web anti-pattern, a concession made in the name of looking nice while at the same time being more confusing. Looking nice is very important for web designers at this time, so usability is neglected...

Re: iOS 7

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Post by inthewind »

Flying_Dwarf wrote: post #99
fudged71 wrote: post #35

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That's me! I was browsing the new UI guidelines and couldn't understand what was and what wasn't a link/action in the screenshots that they used for examples! And I shouldn't need to turn on accessibility services for slight colorblindness... the design should accomodate for us. The navigation looks lik the same color as the "Home" and "Phone" labels. Are those actions?

Apple will take a note from Xbox at E3 and tell its customers with impairments to "Stay with iOS 6".

Ouch!

When someone first described the idea of theming, as in something like CSS and HTML, I totally got it. Can't apps use a descriptive semantic language underneath and just have the OS skin most of it for you?

Swapping themes and making applications and the OS more accessible thereafter would surely be much easier. I know I'm simplifying things somewhat, but isn't this the next evolution in responsive design?

I'd find it someone hard to think that apple would eschew accessibility Perhaps high contrast mode will exist at the very least! Even Windows 8 has made a few inroads.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by Karunamon »

crazygringo wrote: post #143

> The thing is, we’ve grown up. We don’t require hand-holding to tell us what to click or tap... iOS 7 is an iOS for a more mature consumer... who doesn’t want anything getting in the way of their content. Even though the author is defending this, this hits the nail on the head for why I dislike this style. I do want hand-holding to know what to click or tap. So does my mother. I don't want to have to guess what the…

Do you really think that you have to.. well.. think more, given the new design?

Look at the old vs the new - the chrome is still there, it's just taken backseat to the content. It's not at all unclear what to click on to accomplish what you want to do. The call screen for instance. It's still immediately obvious what does what.. slide to answer, and a couple of buttons to decline with a note.

Settings and contacts screen - the "Maybe I'm missing something here, is there a thing or two you can point out that seems harder or more confusing on IOS 7 than 6?

Re: iOS 7

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Post by daughart »

FanboyAlert wrote: post #133
daughart wrote: post #58

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Linked article is one of the worst offenders I've seen for unsubstantiated whining. I'm sorry I just don't see why many of these things are so terrible. It's like every designer thinks their personal taste is an objective standard...

Your comment is one of the worst offenders I've seen for unsubstantiated whining. Stop posting fanboy.

Sorry, I can actually substantiate my claim:

"The title bar is white, the tab bar is white. If I blur my eyes, I don't see the distinct areas."

"The Safari icon went from something beautiful to this"

"48px roundrect? Terrible."

"Really Apple? Icons on people's heads? HAS YOUR VISUAL DESIGNER LOST THEIR SENSE OF TASTE?"

"And most of it sits on ugly rainbow puke, again."

These all seem like whiny statements of personal taste to me. I don't use my phone with blurred eyes, I have set photos of people to my phone wallpaper (covering their faces - the horror!), transparency doesn't look remotely like any puke I have ever generated, etc, etc.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by rednukleus »

dionidium wrote: post #116
nostromo wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a common mistake on the web to take entire groups of individuals, with varied and nuanced individual opinions, and to group them together and then complain about inconsistency and hypocrisy. People say things like, apple users are foo or the new york times is bar or americans are baz . Well, of course any large group of people with divergent opinions will be self-conflicting when examined as a whole. I understan…

Thank you for explaining exactly what the parent's comment made me feel better than I could. If you read a bunch of different people's opinions, then you shouldn't be surprised that what you get is a bunch of different opinions . Furthermore, why is the parent so interested in this idea of "Apple Users" as a group, anyway? There isn't really any such group (or, to the extent that there is, it's a very small group).

There was a significant group of vocal "Apple Users" who have spent a great deal of time over the last couple of years slagging off WP and Android for "bad design" and "stealing". It's to be expected that when Apple borrowed so heavily from WP and Android in this release that there are going to be strong reactions.

It's perfectly normal for companies to be inspired by eachother and to incorporate the best elements of rival platforms (and Apple have done a good job in many respects, particularly the default apps), but Apple's litigation and the comments of the most vocal Apple supporters meant that they really have invited this backlash.

Re: iOS 7

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Post by 2mia »

You got to love this formula pattern. It implies so clearly that you are stupid and not mature if you feel otherwise. Is there a name for this psychological method?

"iOS 7 is an iOS for a more mature consumer, who understands that ... "

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