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In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find that statement hard to believe. The Azure Insiders mailing list has multiple threads mentioning other competitors such as Heroku and Rackspace.

It's not that unbelievable, I've seen it at Oracle too.

Interesting. I thought that Oracle was hyper-competitive too. Is it because they are now the defacto standard?

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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post #35

I spent 5 years at Microsoft as a dev and share almost none of the author's sentiments. I had very few meetings, my manager went out of his way to make sure that I was not blocked, code reviews were mandatory, blogging on technical aspects was ok, had ample free time to work on any side project I wanted (even encouraged to work with MSR on things that were more researchy), etc etc... I could go on for a while. Sure,…

How long ago? Do you think it was different when you were there, that it was better in your group specifically, or that it's better in most other groups?

I was in Online Services (aka Windows Live) about two years ago. Some groups are obviously better than others, that can be said for any company. I think the problem here is that the author does not realize that unlike college, corporate world requires you to be a bit more proactive. Large companies may suffer from bureaucracy but on the upside, they have vast resources and smart/accomplished people you can tap into if you check your ego at the door, don't expect everything handed to you in a silver platter and tone down the poisonous attitude.

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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He sounds like someone who is significantly lowering his standards. Seems like working at a big corporation is killing his spirit and energy. That is just sad. Edit: Unless he is being sarcastic?

It reads as sarcasm - "that is acceptable" meaning people in the group/team/culture accept it.

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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Good luck. I hope this was not a mistake to publish, but it is definitely true of ALL jobs, not just developers or tech in general. I have noticed that it usually has to do with people being greedy of their knowledge and wanting to be indispensable. However, many of us have a choice to contribute to this and other places where we can share info as you said in your post, so thanks.

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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Those are good things to learn. All of them correspond to my own experiences in large companies; none of them are specific to Microsoft. He is fortunate to discover this early, with what sounds like a fairly minimal degree of trauma, so that he can either learn to deal with it or learn to avoid such environments.

I'll never work for such a company again, that's for sure! Been through it three times and that's enough to be certain.

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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post #16

Pretty much every single thing in here is false for my team. The first thing he should have learned about Microsoft: every team is almost completely separate.

Not just Microsoft, any company that has a size greater than three digits. On average, at a big company, you're going to spend 95% of your time interacting with less than 1% of the employees.

I dunno. Numerically that seems right - Google has 30k+ employees, and I definitely spend 95% of my time interacting with less than 1% of them.

But I've found that the breadth of interactions in that remaining 5% reaches across a wide expanse of the company. I work in Search Features. I have friends and professional contacts not just in Features, but also in Ranking, Maps, Glass, Google+, GFiber, Chrome, Android, AppEngine, YouTube, Research, Brain, CourseBuilder, Doodles, legal, and PR - not to mention a whole bunch of infrastructure teams and research projects that I can't tell you about.

And I've found that one's effectiveness in a big company is to a large extent dependent upon the breadth of your internal professional network. The folks who seem to shoot up and don't get pigeonholed into just writing code for their manager are the ones who have a wide network and always seem to know somebody who can get this thorny task done.

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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post #32

Publishing something that HR/PR can consider slander under your real name while being junior developer is not a recipe for stable employment. These guys tend to freak out over minor stuff like that. Lets hope it does not have negative consequences. Otherwise familiar - these companies are like supertankers - move slowly and few people are empowered to make meaningful decisions and contributions. Worked for a few year…

I spent two summers interning as a Program Manager at Microsoft (Xbox and Office), and his statements are nearly 100% accurate: - Literally any piece of documentation was always 1+ years out of date. Setting up a dev environment could take days when it should have only taken hours. - A lot of my coworkers were over 35. Starkly different from my experience later at Google. Working past 6 was considered absurd, and a l…

> A lot of my coworkers were over 35. ... Working past 6 was considered absurd

It is absurd. Experience teaches you that.

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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Publishing something that HR/PR can consider slander under your real name while being junior developer is not a recipe for stable employment. These guys tend to freak out over minor stuff like that. Lets hope it does not have negative consequences. Otherwise familiar - these companies are like supertankers - move slowly and few people are empowered to make meaningful decisions and contributions. Worked for a few year…

I still remember this: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/philipsu/archive/2006/06/14/631438.a...

Re: In 8 months at Microsoft, I learned these things

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post #32

Publishing something that HR/PR can consider slander under your real name while being junior developer is not a recipe for stable employment. These guys tend to freak out over minor stuff like that. Lets hope it does not have negative consequences. Otherwise familiar - these companies are like supertankers - move slowly and few people are empowered to make meaningful decisions and contributions. Worked for a few year…

I spent two summers interning as a Program Manager at Microsoft (Xbox and Office), and his statements are nearly 100% accurate: - Literally any piece of documentation was always 1+ years out of date. Setting up a dev environment could take days when it should have only taken hours. - A lot of my coworkers were over 35. Starkly different from my experience later at Google. Working past 6 was considered absurd, and a l…

Working past 6 should be considered absurd unless you start at 10 or 11..

There's a world out there for you to enjoy, and many people fought hard for workers rights so we don't have kill ourselves over work.

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