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Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU

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...not sure what sort of "moral debt" (second bullet point) Omar had to the country - is there some reason he should have had to contribute anything to the US economy? Its not like the military where you commit to extra years of service for the financial inducements attached to further study. He's probably already contributed more than most Americans just in his research during the years of his PhD. As an American do…

Yep, but why would you want to live in the US now? Just look at it. Stay with us, mate.

Where do you live, where the government either isn't cooperating with the US or its allies or else doing its own spying and censorship, and isn't a corrupt, money-hungry beast? I might just pack my own bags and go myself. Assuming there are jobs for foreigners.

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He sounds like a brilliant student. However does anyone find it the least bit noteworthy that the US government is paying for foreign citizens' tuition and stipends while many of its own citizens are forced to go deeply in debt?

PhD students, especially in the sciences, don't pay tuition.

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Unless you walked through Alaska on a land bridge, you too are an immigrant. We can either embrace the strength of a democracy to turn the huddled masses into a productive force for good or we can choose to turn inward. Guided by fear, we are making the wrong choice.

> Unless you walked through Alaska on a land bridge, you too are an immigrant. Uh... isn't that also immigration?

In this instance, it would be migration not immigration.

Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU

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He sounds like a brilliant student. However does anyone find it the least bit noteworthy that the US government is paying for foreign citizens' tuition and stipends while many of its own citizens are forced to go deeply in debt?

Nobody is forced to go deeply in debt. College education is voluntary.

Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU

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The one thing I'm taking home from that letter is this:

    the embassy called him back to say that they had found 
    the problem. They said that if he came in, they would fix 
    it. Instead of fixing it, they stamped CANCELED across 
    his student visa without explaining what was wrong, and 
    refused to answer any questions as to why.
In short: The american embassy has no compunctions whatsoever to lie to citizens of other countries.

For me as citizen of another country, this means that i will need to treat anything any representative of the US-american government says, no matter how high, or more importantly, low they are on the totem pole, is highly subject and likely a lie.

Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU

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Are we going to trawl up and link every single case of someone being denied re-entry to the US? It's just getting rather tedious. Though as the constant karma farming off similarly tedious and usually poorly researched and written blog posts of the last week continues unabated perhaps I am in a minority of readers who gets their news from decent sources and likes to come to HN for interesting technical articles.

I think HN is seriously at risk of having jumped the shark for good. This NSA thing blew the lid off - the front page is completely full of articles about politics, with more each day about all kinds of different things. I suppose things may settle down again - they have after other big events, but... I worry, I worry. (And for the record, for those who conflate not wanting to see every article about this with not ca…

I disagree, these are 'big' problems, and exposure of these pain points to other smart entrepreneurs can only lead to a net benefit.

Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU

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Unless you walked through Alaska on a land bridge, you too are an immigrant. We can either embrace the strength of a democracy to turn the huddled masses into a productive force for good or we can choose to turn inward. Guided by fear, we are making the wrong choice.

> Unless you walked through Alaska on a land bridge, you too are an immigrant. Uh... isn't that also immigration?

To extend this line of thinking - you are (possibly) not an immigrant only if you were born in Africa - our place of origin.

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I wonder if this is one of those vague "security" problems. It seems like if people get denied for normal stuff (overstaying, violating their visas, etc) they're told and can at least fight it a little. But when you get a black mark against you it seems like you get stuck in an administrative blackhole where nobody is authorised to tell you WHY or they themselves don't know. It was the same way with the no-fly list f…

I agree, blaming it on "bureaucracy" or "big government" is the least insightful thing someone can add to the conversation.

Of course it's executed by a bureaucracy -- what else would we expect, Batman's going to manage the program? The assumption that it's going to be executed by a bureaucracy should be part of the reasoning when setting policy.

Either this was an expected outcome (in the collateral damage sense or in the "good keep him out" sense), or it should have been and people should have known better.

Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU

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I wonder if this is one of those vague "security" problems. It seems like if people get denied for normal stuff (overstaying, violating their visas, etc) they're told and can at least fight it a little. But when you get a black mark against you it seems like you get stuck in an administrative blackhole where nobody is authorised to tell you WHY or they themselves don't know. It was the same way with the no-fly list f…

It's actually good security practice. If the terrorist's find out they got flagged because of X, now they know not to do X any more.

If, by X, you mean "go thru airport security". Luckily our borders are an impermeable wall stronger than the cold war era berlin wall, so there's no alternative method for bad guy to enter the country.

This is the comedy of the whole security theater system. In the old days generals always prepared to refight the last war, in the fatherland security era its about the same concept. The next attack will not come from a properly documented airline passenger, it'll come from "rio grande swimmer number 50 million and one".

May as well just let them fly even if we know they're bad guys, if they're going to get here anyway, one way or another, at least we'll make a profit off the ticket and its easier to track their actions at an airport than some desert out west.

Even worse, they're better off letting all the bad guys thru to boost budgets, and stop only good guys because its safer/less confrontational and makes good theater. If I know that, they probably figured it out a long time earlier, and almost surely implemented it.

Its also a bad tactical move. Lets say he was in fact a bad guy. The obvious standing order for a bad guy would be if you get caught, yet are not drone attacked or sent to the concentration camp in cuba, then being busted should be the immediate signal to enter our completely porous and open borders via non-traditional routes, and "do your thing" since you're obviously of no further use undercover. The mere fact this dude did nothing for over a year using this logic proves his innocence. If he was a bad guy then he would have "sneaked" in, gotten on campus as quickly as possible while his intel is still current, and (done something tragic)

Re: Jordanian citizen was denied re-entry to the US on eve of his PhD defense at JHU

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Unless you walked through Alaska on a land bridge, you too are an immigrant. We can either embrace the strength of a democracy to turn the huddled masses into a productive force for good or we can choose to turn inward. Guided by fear, we are making the wrong choice.

> Unless you walked through Alaska on a land bridge, you too are an immigrant. Uh... isn't that also immigration?

Perhaps the OP is implying that without previous population, the first peoples of the Americas were settlers, not colonizers or immigrants.
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