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iOS 7 looks familiar

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Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by coldtea »

jljljl wrote: post #46
shurcooL wrote: post #31

I don't understand this obsession with complaining about copying or imitating in design. As long as good things are taken and worse things are left behind, the consumers benefit. It's like being upset that the 2014 cars have the same steering wheel and pedal layout, or that a manufacturer "stole" the idea of using a USB port in a car.

The "Can't quite put my finger on it..." piece is in reference to a common catch-phrase for bloggers who have mocked Android, Samsung, and Microsoft for "copying" elements from iOS. I agree the whole back and forth is a bit silly from both parties. Edit: missed a word

>The "Can't quite put my finger on it..." piece is in reference to a common catch-phrase for bloggers who have mocked Android, Samsung, and Microsoft for "copying" elements from iOS.

Only this is not a copy. It's just a different flat design, just as Windows also uses a flat design.

It doesn't copy the look of Windows Phone -- it just uses a similar flat visual language.

We cannot say the same for, e.g., MBA look-alikes that you cannot tell apart from 5 feet away.

It's like the difference between two manga comics by different artists (of course there are similarities: they used the same visual language) and a cheap rip-off of an animated series (e.g Power Rangers vs Powerful Rangers).

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by gagege »

ricardobeat wrote: post #142
ruswick wrote: post #119

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> I know it's Beta, but it honestly looks and feels like Android with a bit of lag here and there. This sort of lag has been a common artifact throughout the iPhone's history. Crashing apps, lag, and outright unresponsiveness are daily occurrences on my iPhone 5. It's honestly gotten to the point where, if I didn't have an astronomical amount of money tied up in their ecosystem, I'd switch to a Nexus 4 tonight.

You clearly have never used a pre-ICS Android device. A "flagship" Motorola Dext/Cliq/Droid felt like a chinese toy phone next to an iPod/iPhone runing iOS 1.

Eh, quite the opposite actually. Even pre-ICS Android made me feel like I could actually do something with the OS. I could completely change the way it looked by simply downloading a new homescreen from the store. iOS feels like being locked in jail, in comparison.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by nnnnni »

tolmasky wrote: post #56
Finster wrote: post #50

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I feel like your argument basically distills down to: "All flat designs look alike." Surely, that's not the case. And as I've been messing around with IOS7, I'm noticing a lot more than just a graphical redesign. This is also a usability redesign. Little things like including a contact button at the top of the Messages app itself rather than at the top of the message view. IOS7 is full of these little tweaks that hav…

I think you may have made my point better than I did: I'm just not that impressed with Apple finally cribbing off the jailbreak community, and I sincerely hope that the future of iOS is not endless tweaking held up as some paramount of interaction design. Am I happy with these changes? Sure, the same way I'm happy that Mac OS X has finally fixed the multiple-display bug that has plagued it for 3 years. But these (lon…

"I'm just not that impressed with Apple finally cribbing off the jailbreak community, and I sincerely hope that the future of iOS is not endless tweaking held up as some paramount of interaction design."

I see the jailbreak tweaks as the alpha version of features that will one day make it into the main source. People who are not afraid to test things out play with and refine the tweaks until they're ready to be official.

I love the fact that at least eight tweaks have been integrated into the main source!

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by pooriaazimi »

paul_f wrote: post #210
sjwright wrote: post #193

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I, and everyone I know has had a flawless upgrade experience. There have been a couple of exceptions -- the iPhone 3G (not 3GS) suffered with some point releases, but it was a horrifically underpowered device anyway.

How about Siri on the iPhone4? AirDrop on the 4S. The upgrade works, the most important features don't. I understand hardware is required for the features to work. But to suggest zero fragmentation is reality distortion.

When we talk about fragmentation (as developers), we mean API/display size fragmentation. My iPhone 4 doesn't have Siri, but developers can safely use iOS 6 APIs, knowing I can upgrade.

THe iPhone 5 and the 4" display was a step backwards in that regards, but still, you can safely target iOS 5+ and reach about 95% of active, current app-buying iOS users, or target iOS 6+ and reach 90%. But you can't do that with Android (yet) - targeting 4.0+ would lose you a lot of sales.

This will be fixed in the Android market in the next couple of years though, but until then, iOS users/developers/lovers can rightfully boast about "less fragmentation".

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Post by berntb »

jhdevos wrote: post #203
berntb wrote: post #198

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>>And I frankly don't think that Samsung is taking any design clues from anywhere. They don't care what Apple is doing Uhh... the whole idea with the present generation of smartphone (software) comes from the iPhone. That (and applying it to create pads people were willing to pay for) was new . Everyone should be able to agree on that, at least.

> Uhh... the whole idea with the present generation of smartphone (software) comes from the iPhone. Oh come on. It's an evolution of what was there before; Palm OS was already very clearly moving in that direction. There is very little that is conceptually new in the first iPhone. The execution was superb, and everyone certainly got shaken awake by the fact that that level of quality was even possible... but the core…

I leave the subject, since I assume you'd argue the same thing about the iPad, even though others had tried to build xPads for many years without anyone wanting the results... :-)

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by flyinRyan »

annnnd wrote: post #180
spaux wrote: post #147

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I disagree. This seems to me like something that wouldn't have happened under the supervision of Jobs. I feel like the redesign of their UI hasn't gone far enough, that there attempt to copy other trends is different than what apple has done before. I believe that with this update, apple has put the final nail in the coffin to remove the stigma of "it's apple, so it's better."

Exactly. Also, as they are becoming more similar to Android, it won't take much for users to actually switch to it. I am sure Google is happy to see this development.

I don't think it's Android's busy, ... unique interface that keeps Apple owners from switching. It's the hundreds of dollars in apps they've invested in that won't transfer.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by spaux »

coldtea wrote: post #208
spaux wrote: post #147

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I disagree. This seems to me like something that wouldn't have happened under the supervision of Jobs. I feel like the redesign of their UI hasn't gone far enough, that there attempt to copy other trends is different than what apple has done before. I believe that with this update, apple has put the final nail in the coffin to remove the stigma of "it's apple, so it's better."

> I feel like the redesign of their UI hasn't gone far enough In 7 months (after Ive got in charge)? Let's see any team in the world do better in the same time. Not to mention that if they had gone further, people would also complaint ("oh, this is not the iOS we knew and love at all anymore"). People talk about Windows Phone similarities. It took Microsoft 4-5 years AFTER the iPhone was introduced to copy all the ba…

This wasn't supposed to be read as a bash against apple or the iphone, just an observation. When the original design was done, the world was a very different place where apple was very clearly ahead. With this UI it seems to me that the differences between ios android and windows phone are pretty minor. I used to tell people that you'd get an easier experience with apple, and a better experience with the right android phone. More recently, I've found myself telling people that it really doesn't matter as they are all awesome phones, but if you could get an iphone at the same price as others, it's probably worth it to you. Now it seems like that last clause isn't true anymore, at least not to me.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by anonyfuss »

gfodor wrote: post #58
tolmasky wrote: post #56

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I think you may have made my point better than I did: I'm just not that impressed with Apple finally cribbing off the jailbreak community, and I sincerely hope that the future of iOS is not endless tweaking held up as some paramount of interaction design. Am I happy with these changes? Sure, the same way I'm happy that Mac OS X has finally fixed the multiple-display bug that has plagued it for 3 years. But these (lon…

Have you actually used the beta or are you another person basing opinions about an operating system based upon screenshots?

I've used it. I agree with the parent. In fact, I like it even less after using it.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by ricardobeat »

sigmar wrote: post #144
ricardobeat wrote: post #142

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You clearly have never used a pre-ICS Android device. A "flagship" Motorola Dext/Cliq/Droid felt like a chinese toy phone next to an iPod/iPhone runing iOS 1.

what does any of his comment have to do with pre-ICS phones? he was talking about switching to a nexus 4

Lag, crashes and unresponsiveness were much more common in Android < 4 than they ever were in iOS.
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