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iOS 7 looks familiar

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Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by tomelders »

You first have to start with the fact that every smartphone has copied the iPhone†

From there, it's impossible to see how Apple could possibly change anything without someone somewhere claiming that they've ripped off something from somewhere else. But the people they're allegedly ripping off have in turn ripped off Apple, rendering the entire debate pointless.

†Not that it's a bad thing, once the iPhone came out, everyone else had to copy it. The first iPhone was the starting point for how all smartphones from that point on shoud be.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by jhdevos »

berntb wrote: post #198
css771 wrote: post #191

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And I frankly don't think that Samsung is taking any design clues from anywhere. They don't care what Apple is doing - they do their own thing. And with the next Touchwiz, they will revolutionize Touchwiz UX. That's a fact /s But seriously, the amount of snark (and hypocrisy imo) in your comment was too much to take.

>>And I frankly don't think that Samsung is taking any design clues from anywhere. They don't care what Apple is doing Uhh... the whole idea with the present generation of smartphone (software) comes from the iPhone. That (and applying it to create pads people were willing to pay for) was new . Everyone should be able to agree on that, at least.

> Uhh... the whole idea with the present generation of smartphone (software) comes from the iPhone.

Oh come on. It's an evolution of what was there before; Palm OS was already very clearly moving in that direction. There is very little that is conceptually new in the first iPhone.

The execution was superb, and everyone certainly got shaken awake by the fact that that level of quality was even possible... but the core ideas were already there.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by inthewind »

nbuggia wrote: post #154
ruswick wrote: post #119

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> I know it's Beta, but it honestly looks and feels like Android with a bit of lag here and there. This sort of lag has been a common artifact throughout the iPhone's history. Crashing apps, lag, and outright unresponsiveness are daily occurrences on my iPhone 5. It's honestly gotten to the point where, if I didn't have an astronomical amount of money tied up in their ecosystem, I'd switch to a Nexus 4 tonight.

I have one that I would be happy to trade for your iPhone 5. While the nexus is a great device, it has tons of lags, and hangs. Android seems to be an amalgamation of rough edges - and I love google! For goodness sake, to add a telephone number to a contact you need to select 'add field' and then select the field type before you can enter the value. Okay, I'll stop with my rant, but seriously, I would live to trade.…

At least you are in agreement that all of those devices are buggy! I for some reason just can't stand the rough edges, and am still waiting for a smartphone that I want - and I've been waiting for a long time.

Having said that I do use a Blackberry (but not really out of choice,) and it also drives me nuts!

I'd have thought that the number one priority for most of these UI developers would be to make something that was intuitive and very usable. Getting the phone part of the phone nice would be a good start.

Adding contacts, viewing call logs, checking balance, turning on and off answerphones etc.

Being able to read the display in sunlight. Being able to use it as a clock, and it be readable. Not having the thing beep at 4am to tell you that it's running out of battery etc.

There's loads of directions these UIs could go in. And they could be completely different to one another, but share some underlying principles. Like intuitive computer game interfaces, that you pretty much pick up immediately.

What I have been most impressed with is watching babies/toddlers play with iPhones. Which suggests the interface is pretty good. Though there have been cases of kids racking up huge account costs. But how about an easy way to child lock the damn thing, or make this harder.

And how about a phone that doesn't crack when you drop it. I watched someone destroy his Galaxy S the other morning, and he wasn't that pleased about it.

Hope I've suitably ranted for you.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by aviraldg »

nbuggia wrote: post #154
ruswick wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know it's Beta, but it honestly looks and feels like Android with a bit of lag here and there. This sort of lag has been a common artifact throughout the iPhone's history. Crashing apps, lag, and outright unresponsiveness are daily occurrences on my iPhone 5. It's honestly gotten to the point where, if I didn't have an astronomical amount of money tied up in their ecosystem, I'd switch to a Nexus 4 tonight.

I have one that I would be happy to trade for your iPhone 5. While the nexus is a great device, it has tons of lags, and hangs. Android seems to be an amalgamation of rough edges - and I love google! For goodness sake, to add a telephone number to a contact you need to select 'add field' and then select the field type before you can enter the value. Okay, I'll stop with my rant, but seriously, I would live to trade.…

Hmm. http://imgur.com/WySrZtZ

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by inthewind »

adventured wrote: post #97
rustynails77 wrote: post #90

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Noone should see this as Apple copying anyone. There are designs that work well with phones - and to be honest, there aren't too many of them within today's technology. If something works, designers use it. There should be no better argument that software patents (in most instances) are idiotic.

Everyone should see this as Apple copying. That's what they're blatantly doing. It shouldn't be viewed negatively so long as it improves the product. There's no possibility that Apple is going to lead 100 times out of 100 on design trends. They're living up to the motto of great artists stealing. It's done in every industry, and it's done by great designers. It's a myth that great designers don't 'steal' constantly,…

That's all well and fine. Share the best bits - but don't get all prissy over anyone else doing the same.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by inthewind »

sjwright wrote: post #194
sbuk wrote: post #169

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Steve Jobs approved Corinthian Leather and green baize. Your argument is proven moot.

Chalk me up then as the only other person who likes the corinthian leather and green baize. Sure it was totally random and a bit ridiculous, but at least you never got confused whether you were in Maps or Find Friends. In the past I managed a few remote Windows Servers, and to keep from confusing them, I gave each a unique desktop background colour (a pleasant pastel shade) for no reason other than to keep them visua…

I thought he was meant to be a vegan, surely he wouldn't have endorsed the leather - and if he'd be a 'proper' vegan not a leather effect either!

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by coldtea »

spaux wrote: post #147
nikster wrote: post #141

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I've been playing with iOS 7 on my iPhone 5 for a day now as well. It's utterly fantastic. What is surprising is how much all the apps have changed - all the functionality was seemingly ripped apart and put back together. It's definitely rough. This is a beta, not a Google "let's call it beta even though it's actually finished". A real beta. With plenty of bugs; occasional crashes. Lots of graphics glitches esp. when…

I disagree. This seems to me like something that wouldn't have happened under the supervision of Jobs. I feel like the redesign of their UI hasn't gone far enough, that there attempt to copy other trends is different than what apple has done before. I believe that with this update, apple has put the final nail in the coffin to remove the stigma of "it's apple, so it's better."

>I feel like the redesign of their UI hasn't gone far enough

In 7 months (after Ive got in charge)? Let's see any team in the world do better in the same time. Not to mention that if they had gone further, people would also complaint ("oh, this is not the iOS we knew and love at all anymore").

People talk about Windows Phone similarities. It took Microsoft 4-5 years AFTER the iPhone was introduced to copy all the basics (that all modern smartphones copied anyway) and get something out there compelling enough to consider buying (and it's not like many people did buy it, anyway).

In contrast, this redesign took Apple only 7-8 months. Along with new features and lots of behaviour changes in the UI.

This is essentially version 1 of the new UI. It will be polished further in iOS 8.

>that there attempt to copy other trends is different than what apple has done before.

Didn't Apple adopt the Delicious Library skeuomorphic real-life look around 6 years back? Including snatching the Delicious Library graphic designer from the company he worked in?

How do we know this is about "copying other trends" instead of what Ive would have liked to do all along, if he was in charge for the UI?

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by coldtea »

bdt101 wrote: post #86
greghinch wrote: post #70

These arguments always strike me as coming from people who don't actually understand what design is. The folks who think that design is the font face, the weight of lines, the colors used. Those are all facets of design, but they are essentially just tools to accomplish the goal: experience and engagement. What you are noticing are just trends, and this is nothing new. Look back over the history of even just twentiet…

Even if these are just trends, we now see Apple following trends rather than setting them. That's a significant change.

Following what trend? "Non-skeuomorphism"? This looks like what Ives would have done all along, even since 2006, if he was in charge of the UI.

The most important features of the new UI are the behavioural and conceptual changes.

Not the icons or the hues. Those can and will be fine-tuned easily in upcoming versions, just as OS X went from lickable glowing candy buttons, pronounced stripes and metal windows to today's look.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by paul_f »

sjwright wrote: post #193
paul_f wrote: post #192

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Which is funny after seeing Apple bash fragmentation at the WWDC. Apple has their own version of fragmentation, newer OS versions don't work on older devices.

I, and everyone I know has had a flawless upgrade experience. There have been a couple of exceptions -- the iPhone 3G (not 3GS) suffered with some point releases, but it was a horrifically underpowered device anyway.

How about Siri on the iPhone4? AirDrop on the 4S. The upgrade works, the most important features don't.

I understand hardware is required for the features to work. But to suggest zero fragmentation is reality distortion.

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