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Re: Fertile Ground

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Post by bennyg »

bcl wrote: post #37

This is wrong. The vast majority don't want their OS (whether it is phone, desktop, laptop, etc.) to suddenly change. They want stability. They have invested the time and effort to learn the UI and integrate it into their lives, change disrupts this and wastes their time. If you force them into learning a new way to do things you have just reduced the friction of them switching to some other platform. And that's how…

It's honestly not that different. Messaging is just as easy as before. Using Calendar is just as easy as before. All of the apps that aren't Apple's are the exact same and will be for the beginning of the official release. You underestimate people and their ability to adapt to change.

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Post by dimensionmedia »

jmduke wrote: post #58
forrestthewoods wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the four year old non-retina iphone 3gs? I think it's safe to take that device behind the barn to retire forever. Few tears will be shed.

I don't like the idea that four years is a prohibitively long time for a device that I spend hundreds of dollars on.

Seriously? Four years is quite a long time in today's tech world. Think if you had a four year Android or Windows (whoops) phone if that was a reasonable thought. Bottom line - if you think 4 years ISN'T a long time for a hundreds of dollar device then there's not much hope for you.

Re: Fertile Ground

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Post by DHowett »

pshc wrote: post #54
Samuel_Michon wrote: post #13

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One change highlighted in the keynote presentation: instead of tapping the ‘Back’ button on the upper left corner of a UITableView layout, in iOS 7 you swipe horizontally from the left edge of the screen. There are many more changes, you can read about them in the new iOS 7 Human Interface Guidelines: http://www.slideshare.net/evgenybelyaev16/mobile-hig-2278458...

FWIW I'm using the iOS 7 beta, and this behavior is inconsistently present. It works in nested lists, but other screens e.g. the music Now Playing screen don't do it at all. Hopefully it gets OS-wide integration. But hey, it's a (really buggy!) beta.

Of particular hilarity is that swiping left-to-right on the Now Playing screen did in fact do this on prior versions.

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Post by dannyr »

ceejayoz wrote: post #59
dannyr wrote: post #51

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2.3 is still big but its share is dwindling pretty fast. Vine only supports 4.0 and above & there's no uproar. It is a Top 3 app on Google Play.

> Vine only supports 4.0 and above & there's no uproar. It is a Top 3 app on Google Play. Are people really likely to get in an uproar over Vine? Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, sure... but Vine?

Do you know that Vine has already overtaken Instagram as the biggest social sharing on Twitter?

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Post by fpgeek »

melling wrote: post #26
btipling wrote: post #10

It seems hypocritical to laud fragmentation when it happens in iOS and decry it in Android. These changes seem similar to the Android differences in gingerbread and post-honeycomb. The resulting effect on developers will be the same. iOS 7 has made it apparent which bloggers are unable or unwilling to be fair in their criticism when it comes to Apple. The mismatched gradients on the new icons are beautiful to them, t…

I think you forgot the part where Android fragmentation leaned more towards the 3 year old version. 2.3 is still huge. If Android had simply evolved fast and all the new phones had the new Android the problem wouldn't be so bad.

I think you forgot the parts where even devices with a 3 year old OS [1] regularly get updates of many APIs that have been (sensibly) decoupled from the OS, have access to substantial compatibility libraries and so on.

[1] By which I mean Froyo, Gingerbread doesn't hit its third birthday until December (at the earliest).

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Post by dannyr »

bennyg wrote: post #56
dannyr wrote: post #38

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So fragmentation is ok as long as it's only for a year? I guess we're moving the goal posts again.

iOS6 is at 93% and it hasn't even been a year yet. Where's Jellybean? Who's still stuck writing apps that are compatible with Gingerbread and have to use ActionBar Sherlock?

The thing is a number of developers are just writing for 4.0 and above.

I've not saying fragmentation on Android isn't bad. What I'm arguing is fragmentation on iOS is being framed as a good thing (actually a "great" thing) by the author of the post.

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Post by jamesaguilar »

jmduke wrote: post #58
forrestthewoods wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the four year old non-retina iphone 3gs? I think it's safe to take that device behind the barn to retire forever. Few tears will be shed.

I don't like the idea that four years is a prohibitively long time for a device that I spend hundreds of dollars on.

OK, but we're talking about reality here. Four years is an astoundingly long lifetime for a device to stay updated in this industry.

Re: Fertile Ground

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Post by jamesaguilar »

fpgeek wrote: post #64
melling wrote: post #31

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That would be the 3Gs. I had mine for 3 years before I upgraded to the 5. It felt like a pretty old phone. What are the odds that people who have a 3-4 year old smart phone, really want to use a lot of apps?

The 3GS was on sale as recently as last September (maybe a bit later in some emerging markets).

At least it was never sold with an previous-version installed OS like half of Android phones.

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Post by mafro »

untog wrote: post #63
ghshephard wrote: post #46

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Combine Marco and Gruber's [1] insight - This is a major house cleaning/forest fire. Someone (Jony, et al.) has stepped back, looked at the confusion that has developed over the last 3-5 years on the iPhone, and has decided to recreate the iPhone as a conceptual platform. The introduction (and hopefully consistency) of multiple dimensions onto the phone, and a cross-system approach towards geometry, means that iOS7 w…

iOS7 will be a complete re-think of how applications work and behave on the iPhone. Of course it won't. That just reads like hyperbole. Apps on iOS7 will work almost entirely the same as they do on iOS6 and below.

Although that does sound like hyperbole, the point is that they will be doing a "complete re-think of how applications work" - even though the end result will be much the same as it is at present.

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Post by jamesaguilar »

ghshephard wrote: post #50
dannyr wrote: post #38

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So fragmentation is ok as long as it's only for a year? I guess we're moving the goal posts again.

How many hours/days will it take to get 10%, 25% and 50% of the iOS platform on to iOS 7? I'm betting over 50% installed base will be on iOS 7 in less than a month.

It took two weeks to hit 45% when iOS 6 was released. http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/1005_ios...

Wow-level context: Jelly-bean is out about eight months and is at 28 some-odd percent. http://hothardware.com/News/Android-Jelly-Bean-Penetration-U...

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