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Re: Fertile Ground

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Post by dannyr »

melling wrote: post #26
btipling wrote: post #10

It seems hypocritical to laud fragmentation when it happens in iOS and decry it in Android. These changes seem similar to the Android differences in gingerbread and post-honeycomb. The resulting effect on developers will be the same. iOS 7 has made it apparent which bloggers are unable or unwilling to be fair in their criticism when it comes to Apple. The mismatched gradients on the new icons are beautiful to them, t…

I think you forgot the part where Android fragmentation leaned more towards the 3 year old version. 2.3 is still huge. If Android had simply evolved fast and all the new phones had the new Android the problem wouldn't be so bad.

2.3 is still big but its share is dwindling pretty fast.

Vine only supports 4.0 and above & there's no uproar. It is a Top 3 app on Google Play.

Re: Fertile Ground

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Post by sunnybythesea »

melling wrote: post #31
btipling wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for all those not so old iPhones that are stuck on iOS 6 forever.

That would be the 3Gs. I had mine for 3 years before I upgraded to the 5. It felt like a pretty old phone. What are the odds that people who have a 3-4 year old smart phone, really want to use a lot of apps?

I have a 3GS. And even though I've had it for so long, it still doesn't feel dated to me. Apple did a good job with the hardware and the software support. It is finally starting to feel a bit sluggish after almost 4 years of very heavy use. Compare that with my old phones which I essentially threw away after a year or so and never missed them...and the crappy Razr that died after a year.

Re: Fertile Ground

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Post by ghshephard »

foobarbazqux wrote: post #32

> Fertile Ground I'm getting pretty tired of blog post titles that give no real hint at all as to the topic. My mind labels them as "pretentious" because they're pretending to be deep when they're not; by that I mean that rarely do the posts offer up any kind of non-trivial insight. (Compare with PG's similarly titled essays.) Earlier today we had "Two i's" from DHH's crew (where you had to infer from reading the pos…

You would, of course, prefer something like, "iOS 7 reset creates new opportunities for Developers" or "iOS reboot creates conditions ripe for disruption" or, ....

Honestly - "Fertile Ground" is a pretty damn good title. I can already imagine people casually discussing it at WWDC "Did you catch Marco's "Fertile Ground" post?"

Re: Fertile Ground

#54

Post by pshc »

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #13
greendestiny wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are is support for physics effects in the UI now, I'm not really sure what navigational changes he could be talking about though.

One change highlighted in the keynote presentation: instead of tapping the ‘Back’ button on the upper left corner of a UITableView layout, in iOS 7 you swipe horizontally from the left edge of the screen. There are many more changes, you can read about them in the new iOS 7 Human Interface Guidelines: http://www.slideshare.net/evgenybelyaev16/mobile-hig-2278458...

FWIW I'm using the iOS 7 beta, and this behavior is inconsistently present. It works in nested lists, but other screens e.g. the music Now Playing screen don't do it at all. Hopefully it gets OS-wide integration.

But hey, it's a (really buggy!) beta.

Re: Fertile Ground

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Post by kevincrane »

I've seen this in several places, but when people say Apple "changed everything about how use it" in this version of iOS, what did they actually change? The only big things I've seen with regards to the OS seem to be the flat iconography and the pull-up menu from the bottom that has the setting changes. Everything else looked approximately identical functionally (at first glance anyway).

Re: Fertile Ground

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Post by bennyg »

dannyr wrote: post #38
chasing wrote: post #22

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It's not fragmentation. Within a year, the vast majority of iOS users will be on iOS 7. It's evolution.

So fragmentation is ok as long as it's only for a year? I guess we're moving the goal posts again.

iOS6 is at 93% and it hasn't even been a year yet. Where's Jellybean? Who's still stuck writing apps that are compatible with Gingerbread and have to use ActionBar Sherlock?

Re: Fertile Ground

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Post by ghshephard »

dannyr wrote: post #51
melling wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you forgot the part where Android fragmentation leaned more towards the 3 year old version. 2.3 is still huge. If Android had simply evolved fast and all the new phones had the new Android the problem wouldn't be so bad.

2.3 is still big but its share is dwindling pretty fast. Vine only supports 4.0 and above & there's no uproar. It is a Top 3 app on Google Play.

I don't know about "Dropping Fast" - it's slowly dropping away, even after they changed how they gathered statistics to only count devices visiting the android store.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Android-dist-by-dessert.pn...

Re: Fertile Ground

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Post by jmduke »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #36
btipling wrote: post #24

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Except for all those not so old iPhones that are stuck on iOS 6 forever.

You mean the four year old non-retina iphone 3gs? I think it's safe to take that device behind the barn to retire forever. Few tears will be shed.

I don't like the idea that four years is a prohibitively long time for a device that I spend hundreds of dollars on.

Re: Fertile Ground

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Post by ceejayoz »

dannyr wrote: post #51
melling wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you forgot the part where Android fragmentation leaned more towards the 3 year old version. 2.3 is still huge. If Android had simply evolved fast and all the new phones had the new Android the problem wouldn't be so bad.

2.3 is still big but its share is dwindling pretty fast. Vine only supports 4.0 and above & there's no uproar. It is a Top 3 app on Google Play.

> Vine only supports 4.0 and above & there's no uproar. It is a Top 3 app on Google Play.

Are people really likely to get in an uproar over Vine?

Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, sure... but Vine?

Re: Fertile Ground

#60

Post by drpancake »

I disagree with the significance being given to these UI changes. Many App Store niches are dominated by incredibly ugly apps that are functional and get the job done. Take a look at WhatsApp for a prime example.
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