The cat's definitely out of the bag anyways, so Drummond is definitely right that mentioning FISA numbers can't further harm national security. Make the right call, Mr. Attorney General!
Asking the U.S. to allow Google to publish more national security request data
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#22What are the legal ramifications if employees at Google also work at the behest of the NSA/FBI/CIA (unbeknownst to Google)? It is one thing to compel the organization to reveal information, but what are the legal questions around essentially spies within the various corporations?
This very blog post mentions that Google hires some of the best security engineers in the world. I'm sure having "prior" employment at the NSA would look great on a resume, and put the person in a position to compromise essentially all internal security and data integrity.
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#23If google wants absolution it needs to state it's saving no more tracking data than the minimum required by law.
But it's saving a whole lot more than that. Much more.
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#24The issue here is that Google doesn't know how much data the NSA collects. The NSA has access to the internet backbone that Google uses and can read whatever traffic it wishes that leaves the Google network. Obviously this is not everything but most everything. It is a low view of the NSA to think that they do not have the ability to real-time decrypt SSL certs from every major SSL cert authority. So while Google can claim they do not allow the NSA direct access to it's servers that is only a small comfort in the big scheme of things.
This sort of response from Tech companies is just a distraction from the real issue.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you'll be happy when the US ends all foreign signals intelligence? Or makes the Internet a safe haven from signals intelligence? Also: by offering PGP in GMail, Google would harm online security. If you want PGP, install it on your computer. Google won't do anything to stop you.
1. Google probably should offer passive S/MIME on mail. START TLS goes a long way, but providing the same signals about message authenticity to people who IMAP from gmail as who use the web UI would be nice. A non-google-trusting way to do PGP with a better UI/UX would also be a nice feature for gmail. Just indicating "encrypted" at the message-list view or something. I have PGP working quite nicely in mutt, but a lo…
I think I might prefer that world too. Now: how likely are we to be in that world any time soon?
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I'm just curious: If this program in reality did not give the government unfettered access to Google user data as has been claimed by The Guardian and Snowden, would there be any amount of evidence that could now be presented to you that would convince you that you were misled?
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#27>Assertions in the press that our compliance with these requests gives the U.S. government unfettered access to our users’ data are simply untrue. However, government nondisclosure obligations regarding the number of FISA national security requests that Google receives, as well as the number of accounts covered by those requests, fuel that speculation. Sounds suspiciously like they are going to ruin everyone's nerd r…
You really love that phrase, don't you? I'm sure in other communities it is a great way to marginalize those with interests that you do not share.
I really doubt Google is going to play chicken about something so serious as giving away all their user data. Is it incomprehensible to you that they are telling the truth?
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No one did.
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#29What are the legal ramifications if employees at Google also work at the behest of the NSA/FBI/CIA (unbeknownst to Google)? It is one thing to compel the organization to reveal information, but what are the legal questions around essentially spies within the various corporations? This very blog post mentions that Google hires some of the best security engineers in the world. I'm sure having "prior" employment at the…
It would be a felony for anyone at NSA to attempt to "turn" an employee of Google and get them to leak secret information from Google's systems.
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#30In expressing his view that Google is being harmed by USG's lack of transparency (combined with the godawful operational security of the contractor-run intelligence agencies), is Google's chief counsel here starting to build the standing to sue the government? If this whole debacle sets up an epic confrontation between Google and the DoJ, I may have to reevaluate how irritated I am at how "Prism" has been reported. M…
Just to clarify, I think you are irritated with the inaccurate/sensationalist reporting of PRISM, and not that it was leaked to begin with?