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NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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Post by cmiles74 »

suyash wrote: post #54
grecy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does letting everyone know the government is listening jeopardize National Security? If anything, I expect it would increase National Security, as everyone will toe the line more and more for fear of getting caught.

Those who are concerned about privacy should first protest against Google/Facebook/Yahoo etc for selling your private data to advertisers. PRSIM project was in place to catch potential terrorists and thanks to Snowden for blowing it up and now good luck catching the bad guys. I have nothing to worry about or hide because I'm not doing anything bad and I don't understand why everyone is so mad about privacy all of a s…

You don't _think_ you have anything to hide. I'm sure if you found yourself under suspicion there would be plenty of bits and pieces in your telephone and internet history to paint you as someone who couldn't be trusted. Or worse.

Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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Post by jfisher »

guelo wrote: post #104

We don't need an NSA or CIA or any other spy agency. I know I'm an extremist on government secrets, but I think there should be none. Nothing should be outside the reach of a FOIA request. In my ideal world all government officials' documents and emails would be made publicly accesible in real time, they're working for us. Any exception or loophole to transparency gets abused, every time. If that makes it harder to c…

Dear U.S. Navy,

Where are your nuclear subs and what are their missions?

Sincerely, Definitely a U.S. citizen

Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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Post by hawleyal »

jfisher wrote: post #112
guelo wrote: post #104

We don't need an NSA or CIA or any other spy agency. I know I'm an extremist on government secrets, but I think there should be none. Nothing should be outside the reach of a FOIA request. In my ideal world all government officials' documents and emails would be made publicly accesible in real time, they're working for us. Any exception or loophole to transparency gets abused, every time. If that makes it harder to c…

Dear U.S. Navy, Where are your nuclear subs and what are their missions? Sincerely, Definitely a U.S. citizen

I don't want to keep secrets of public works from any of you. The people in the govt are there to do things we chose to do for everyone.

If it's a problem to know where all the subs are and what they are doing in my name, then I have a problem.

I don't personally want the launch codes for the missiles, but I want to know who has them, what the policy is for using them, when they are used (each and every time), what was targeted, who was hurt, what the damage was, how much it cost to build them, keep them, use them, and dispose them.

The military serves at everyone's behest, not of their own accord.

Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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Post by jmduke »

hawleyal wrote: post #113
jfisher wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dear U.S. Navy, Where are your nuclear subs and what are their missions? Sincerely, Definitely a U.S. citizen

I don't want to keep secrets of public works from any of you. The people in the govt are there to do things we chose to do for everyone. If it's a problem to know where all the subs are and what they are doing in my name, then I have a problem. I don't personally want the launch codes for the missiles, but I want to know who has them, what the policy is for using them, when they are used (each and every time), what w…

If it's a problem to know where all the subs are and what they are doing in my name, then I have a problem.

I'm glad you aren't in the Department of Defense, then.

The military serves at everyone's behest, not of their own accord.

This is a false dichotomy.

Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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Post by jleader »

jfisher wrote: post #112
guelo wrote: post #104

We don't need an NSA or CIA or any other spy agency. I know I'm an extremist on government secrets, but I think there should be none. Nothing should be outside the reach of a FOIA request. In my ideal world all government officials' documents and emails would be made publicly accesible in real time, they're working for us. Any exception or loophole to transparency gets abused, every time. If that makes it harder to c…

Dear U.S. Navy, Where are your nuclear subs and what are their missions? Sincerely, Definitely a U.S. citizen

Why exactly do we still need nuclear subs?

I'm not trying to be a troll, or funny. What threat is currently best dealt with by deploying ICBMs in nuclear subs? And why is the money better spent on that than on any other alternative use?

Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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Post by fixxer »

jmduke wrote: post #3

46 points in fifteen minutes and not a single comment? This NSA issue is seeming less and less like a discussion topic and more like a echo chamber, despite the rampant lack of information on all sides of the event.

Honestly, I'm at a loss for words. I feel like I'm stuck in a life imitating art moment (with Orwell painting the picture).

Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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Post by rayiner »

jleader wrote: post #115
jfisher wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dear U.S. Navy, Where are your nuclear subs and what are their missions? Sincerely, Definitely a U.S. citizen

Why exactly do we still need nuclear subs? I'm not trying to be a troll, or funny. What threat is currently best dealt with by deploying ICBMs in nuclear subs? And why is the money better spent on that than on any other alternative use?

China and Russia.

Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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Post by ims »

xiaoma wrote: post #95
jmduke wrote: post #3

46 points in fifteen minutes and not a single comment? This NSA issue is seeming less and less like a discussion topic and more like a echo chamber, despite the rampant lack of information on all sides of the event.

HN stores comments permanently and offers no way in which to delete them. Given the current trends it's overwhelmingly likely that someone will eventually be detained, harassed or put on a no-fly list due to past comments on HN. Given the subject matter, doesn't it seem reasonable that a lot of people would see more risk than benefit in commenting? If your primary goal in life is activism, then sure. But most of us h…

> Given the current trends it's overwhelmingly likely that someone will eventually be detained, harassed or put on a no-fly list due to past comments on HN.

This is sarcastic, right?

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