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Everyone made fun of the i"Pad" 3 years ago. Now everyone owns one.

Everyone in the Valley, maybe. I don't think that statement is true for the rest of America, or much outside of the US.

China 1st tier city checking in, definitely true here. Maybe you meant out in the countryside?

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I love watching people moan about this yet unreleased product. I think the new Mac Pro episode will resemble the iPad one - lots of "ohemgee it's like just a bigger ipod, lol, how stupid do they think we are, kthx?" reactions, when in fact this product will probably push a new paradigm shift in the way workstations are built i.e. moving away from the plastic pieces of shit ubiquitously sold now. Seriously, I dare you…

Precisely. No one has taken the real human usability of the box design into question for far too long. The cylinder doesn't inform a way of using it, it invites multiple. I picture myself using it "sideways," half turned for easy access/cable management. Rack mounting will require innovation as well, but imagine how densely you could pack them and how dynamic you could make the cooling. A single fan in a workstation…

Rackmounting? Looks like that's always been a junky proposition anyway:

https://www.google.com/search?q=rack+mount+mac+pro

Halfway down this page and it really appears a lot of people are just inventing reasons to have a problem with it.

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I love watching people moan about this yet unreleased product. I think the new Mac Pro episode will resemble the iPad one - lots of "ohemgee it's like just a bigger ipod, lol, how stupid do they think we are, kthx?" reactions, when in fact this product will probably push a new paradigm shift in the way workstations are built i.e. moving away from the plastic pieces of shit ubiquitously sold now. Seriously, I dare you…

The most interesting mods aren't OEM builds. Alienware for instance, has always focused on complete package game systems. There's a ton of innovation in that space by companies like Digital Storm: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/%5Bprimary-term%5D/digital_... Or Falcon Northwest: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/%5Bprimary-term%5D/falcon_n... A major benefit of these systems is extensibility and repair options, whic…

> Let's talk about the real paradigm shift here: Black.

The shape! I really wish they could have gone with a cube or a sphere...not a cylinder! But I understand why those options are not optimal thermally while the sphere is not optimal spatially.

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This is form over function. Exactly why I'm not taking it seriously. What does form do for a power desktop? Nothing. I put my desktop under my desk. I can't see it. I have to stoop to reach the power button. I'm not going to say there's absolutely no use for form in any desktop, but IMO it's practically the number one least important feature of a power desktop/workhorse.

To me this looks like an example of Apple's craftsmanship in depth where quality and elegance can be seen at multiple levels, from the case to the internal hardware to the OS and its APIs. Certainly one can find flaws, but compared to a typical Windows machine Apple has more craftsmanship (in my opinion). Windows exhibits more of the "just get it done" utilitarian idea.

A craftsperson can make the most beautiful, elegantly designed thing that is a joy to look at, use, and serves as a conversation piece... and still fail to meet the brief.

If someone needs a high stool for a high workbench, giving them an Aeron task chair is, while beautiful and well-made, missing the brief.

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"Okay, we COULD just label the ports with regular high color contrast paint. Say, white paint on a black background or black paint on a white background. But that would be TOO EASY and the panel would then really 'pop' against our otherwise monolithic clean design. Which would be distracting." "But during actual use the ports are going to be on the BACK of the device (so you won't see it) and will have random stuff p…

What are you talking about? The labels are white, not black!

I was influenced by this part of the show presentation:

http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/mac_pro_...

You've gotta admit it looks like at best slightly varying shades of grey in that shot. Though they did make it worse with lighting effects - maybe they put the panel in the shade here so the LED feature would stand out more when it gets turned on later?

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They go on and on about the memory bandwidth, but never mention what is to me the important number: the memory capacity. Anyone know?

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This was my first thought. http://goo.gl/nVBNJ

You don't need link shorteners on HN. It's (a little) rude to hide the destination you're asking people to click. The link goes to http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/dyson-table-fan-10-air-mu... which is Dyson's fan.

Well snap. Sorry man. It was more of a function of not knowing versus trying to be rude. I actually went out of my way to shorten it to be (what I thought was) courteous, but you make a valid point and I can see how that is actually quite sketchy. I can see how that would be taboo.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

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Curiously, my first association was "jet engine", was amused to learn that to many it's a trash can. Am I the only one whose breath was taken away by this new design? Power desktop seriously revisited for the first time since the 80's, anyone?

nah, dyson fans have used similar bases for years. I kid, I kid. Honestly though I do not care for an integrated "pro" machine. This is form over function. Fail a component and its off to the shop. Combined with, if I want to upgrade them I need to replace the unit. If they are going to integrate everything then they need to drop the price. Integration implies lower costs as having all the support needed to drive use…

Dyson? You're so far off ... it's clearly Darth Vader.

I can't believe no one has recognized the classic Lucas handiwork. The helmet descending on the tangled mass of circuits. The signature triangular mouth piece is so clearly evident in the heat exchanger. I can just hear it cooling ...

Amazing retro-future design cues aside, it might be user-serviceable for all components - will wait for the teardown. It's gorgeous enough to be on the desktop and may be quieter because of the chimney. And it's finally a really powerful Mac.

If you need something more powerful than this, it seems maybe a server is more appropriate.

Re: Mac Pro

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I don't see it that way at all. The Mac Pro has always been about the top 1% power users. The appeal was twofold: it was a bitchin'-fast machine you could stuff with as many cards and drives as you want, and it ran OS X. This new design removes the former selling point. 12 core max (same as current)?? Four RAM slots (down from eight)?? 1/6th the volume (i.e. space to plug stuff in)?? This offers almost no advantage o…

>This offers almost no advantage over a late model iMac with a Thunderbolt-to-PCIe breakout module (which is what many power users have been doing in the years since the last update). A few big advantages over the iMac: Xeons processors, so more cores & more cache; ECC RAM; and (two) workstation graphics cards. Six thunderbolt ports means up to 36 (!) PCIe peripherals by daisy chaining, which means a lot more expanda…

What about powering all those Thunderbolt devices which have been daisy chained? The extra cables and power supplies are going to be an absolute mess compared to the old Mac Pro.
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