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Re: Mac Pro

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A few big advantages over the iMac The features you list are hardly innovation, just market segmentation.

And?

The most basic forms of segmentation aren't especially relevant to the discussion of the finer points of where Apple is targeting this machine. It would be like bringing up the high-power engine in a sports car, when the discussion is about where within the sports car market the maker is aiming. That it has a high-power engine is generally a given.

Re: Mac Pro

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It's light on RAM slots and monitor connections.

Four ram slots? That maxes out at 64 Gig of RAM. What happened to the old 128 Gig?

Sorry, dropping $999 ea. on a single monitor, much less multiple monitors, is just stupid. The difference at the screen between a Thunderbolt display and a display costing half as much isn't enough to warrant the extra cost.

The former machine had a visually distinct box with tons of space inside for the video card of your choice and you could stuff drives in it for days, without relying on expensive external boxes that sucked up slots on the power strip.

It's probably the right design for someone, but not for people who want a serious workstation and not an art statement.

Re: Mac Pro

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What is the height of this workstation ? I hope apple is not messing with the cardinal rule of making workstations tall enough that you can rest your legs on them when you lean back on the chair.

Re: Mac Pro

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Taking a look at the site and the walk around, it eases most of my problems, but not all of them:

- The RAM looks accessible enough that it can be changed/modified with ease.

- That's true for the built-in drive as well, it looks like one of the "blade" type SSDs that comes in the rMBP. Even if its a slightly different form factor, I've got faith OWC will come up with solutions. Will be slightly miffed about losing a "No SSD, give me the cheapest mechanical drive" purchasing option, but there it is.

- My real concern is the GPUs. With the new thermal profile and the walk around, those really don't look like off the shelf parts. I'm pretty sure you can't easily swap them. I'd prefer an nVidia option generally, and more importantly the FirePros will likely be optimized for graphics work, and terrible for gaming (yes, I do sometimes game on my Mac Pro) and not optimized for scientific computing, which would be my other use case.

It's just enough to make me like the new Mac Pro, but also hesitate because of the GPU.

Re: Mac Pro

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I love watching people moan about this yet unreleased product. I think the new Mac Pro episode will resemble the iPad one - lots of "ohemgee it's like just a bigger ipod, lol, how stupid do they think we are, kthx?" reactions, when in fact this product will probably push a new paradigm shift in the way workstations are built i.e. moving away from the plastic pieces of shit ubiquitously sold now. Seriously, I dare you…

> Apart from Razer and maybe Alienware nobody has even tried to really innovate the workstation landscape.

How about Thermaltake? http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001...

Re: Mac Pro

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It's light on RAM slots and monitor connections. Four ram slots? That maxes out at 64 Gig of RAM. What happened to the old 128 Gig? Sorry, dropping $999 ea. on a single monitor, much less multiple monitors, is just stupid. The difference at the screen between a Thunderbolt display and a display costing half as much isn't enough to warrant the extra cost. The former machine had a visually distinct box with tons of spa…

It has 6 Thunderbolt/Display Port (i.e. any display with $10 cable adapter) connections. How much more do you need?

Re: Mac Pro

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Welcome to the era where you process all in the cloud. You don't need 30 HD on your machine anymore or 200gb ram. I was a bit shocked at the beginning but then I realized most of the studios are using cloud solutions to make intensive renders or local hardware farms with plenty of processing power. I think the Mac Pro still exceeds on power, but you know you will always find someone else more hungry of power :)

Heh, I bet you're somewhere with high bandwidth, no data caps and very low latency. Here, I'm 30-60ms away from the big datacentres, and 200-400ms away from the US. Data is capped at ~500gb per month on the high end plans, and that's both upload and download. I'm lucky to get 10 megabits down, 1 megabit up on a good day. Coupled with the fact our country's going to head back to the 1950s with the inevitable change of…

Australia?

But yeah, where I am I was on mobile internet for a year where I would go 2 weeks on a 2G connection and even on the 3G I had pings of 200~ to data centers in my city.

Re: Mac Pro

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I love watching people moan about this yet unreleased product. I think the new Mac Pro episode will resemble the iPad one - lots of "ohemgee it's like just a bigger ipod, lol, how stupid do they think we are, kthx?" reactions, when in fact this product will probably push a new paradigm shift in the way workstations are built i.e. moving away from the plastic pieces of shit ubiquitously sold now. Seriously, I dare you…

Curiously, my first association was "jet engine", was amused to learn that to many it's a trash can. Am I the only one whose breath was taken away by this new design? Power desktop seriously revisited for the first time since the 80's, anyone?

I think it looks gorgeous. I can't wait to see one in person. My only hesitation about the design is that cylinders don't snuggle well with other computing equipment.

Re: Mac Pro

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Thunderbolt can be daisy-chained just like USB, so you're not limited to just the 6 provided ports.

"Thunderbolt can be daisy-chained just like USB, so you're not limited to just the 6 provided ports." Ok. Still trying to understand the "3" limitation on 4k displays. If it's a bandwidth issue, you'd think the number would be 4 , since there are two cards. And if it is bandwidth, then presumably 3 4k displays plugged in and ... even the empty TB ports become unusable since there is no more bandwidth available ? I ju…

It certainly could be a bandwidth issue. Assuming 4K=3840x2160, that's about 12 Gbits per display with 24 bits/pixel and 60 Hz.

Re: Mac Pro

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Flash storage on a PCI-ex bus? Nice. I wonder which GPUs they are cramming there.

The design is fantastic. I guess it has only one big fan on the top sucking the heat of everything, should be silent.

Now brace yourselves for the price...

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