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Re: Mac Pro

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Post by tammer » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 10:15 PM UTC

ansimionescu wrote: post #71

I love watching people moan about this yet unreleased product. I think the new Mac Pro episode will resemble the iPad one - lots of "ohemgee it's like just a bigger ipod, lol, how stupid do they think we are, kthx?" reactions, when in fact this product will probably push a new paradigm shift in the way workstations are built i.e. moving away from the plastic pieces of shit ubiquitously sold now. Seriously, I dare you…

Precisely. No one has taken the real human usability of the box design into question for far too long.

The cylinder doesn't inform a way of using it, it invites multiple. I picture myself using it "sideways," half turned for easy access/cable management.

Rack mounting will require innovation as well, but imagine how densely you could pack them and how dynamic you could make the cooling.

A single fan in a workstation machine. Unbelievable.

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by sil3ntmac » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 10:16 PM UTC

mbell wrote: post #208

Personally I couldn't care less about the design, it would be sitting behind several large screens anyway and the thermal ideas sound interesting.... That said.... 4 ram slots???? Really? 12 cores, 2 GPUs and I get 32GB of ram? Maybe 64GB if 16GB dimms in standard sizes become a thing? That kills it completely in my book.

Unless you're actively thrashing through all 32GB (maybe you are), wouldn't installing a large SSD for swap space will help you out just as much?

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 10:18 PM UTC

ansimionescu wrote: post #71

I love watching people moan about this yet unreleased product. I think the new Mac Pro episode will resemble the iPad one - lots of "ohemgee it's like just a bigger ipod, lol, how stupid do they think we are, kthx?" reactions, when in fact this product will probably push a new paradigm shift in the way workstations are built i.e. moving away from the plastic pieces of shit ubiquitously sold now. Seriously, I dare you…

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Re: Mac Pro

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Post by kryten » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 10:18 PM UTC

chongli wrote: post #210

kryten wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We reserve our right to moan at consumer junk with the workstation label glued on. Innovation is not something I really want in the workstation market. I want something utterly reliable that works flawlessly for several years and if something goes wrong I can swap the bits out in minutes. If I need more disks, just throw them inside it without playing around with half knackered frayed cables, external enclosures, pow…

>Apple aren't offering ANY of that. I think Apple's philosophy here is to push all the expansion to external devices. The new Mac Pro has 6 thunderbolt 2 ports on it. I'd assume you could probably connect some extremely large and fast storage enclosures with that kind of bandwidth. A regular workstation will always be limited by the space available inside of it. Not with this.

That's absolutely no good for a lot of workstation deployments.

Ours are locked into desks so they don't get nicked due to the high value nature of the work that is done on them.

Try locking a new Mac Pro, 20 dangling Thunderbolt devices and an iSCSI array into a desk.

You're going to end up with this as well:

http://i.imgur.com/4dmz6Q3.jpg

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by Shivetya » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 10:19 PM UTC

mojuba wrote: post #130

ansimionescu wrote: post #71

I love watching people moan about this yet unreleased product. I think the new Mac Pro episode will resemble the iPad one - lots of "ohemgee it's like just a bigger ipod, lol, how stupid do they think we are, kthx?" reactions, when in fact this product will probably push a new paradigm shift in the way workstations are built i.e. moving away from the plastic pieces of shit ubiquitously sold now. Seriously, I dare you…

Curiously, my first association was "jet engine", was amused to learn that to many it's a trash can. Am I the only one whose breath was taken away by this new design? Power desktop seriously revisited for the first time since the 80's, anyone?

nah, dyson fans have used similar bases for years.

I kid, I kid.

Honestly though I do not care for an integrated "pro" machine. This is form over function. Fail a component and its off to the shop. Combined with, if I want to upgrade them I need to replace the unit.

If they are going to integrate everything then they need to drop the price. Integration implies lower costs as having all the support needed to drive user added cards and internal drives can be done away with.

Plus its not like I want to have an octopus of cables on my desk and moving storage to all external does that.

Benefits, perhaps driving the thunderbolt prices down and having new and interesting devices to connect to the system.

In the end integration means commodity, just expensive. Can't wait to see what they want for it, I figure on three thousand minimum, which would be a third too much for something so inflexible. Apple, meet Dyson

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 10:19 PM UTC

mojuba wrote: post #130

ansimionescu wrote: post #71

I love watching people moan about this yet unreleased product. I think the new Mac Pro episode will resemble the iPad one - lots of "ohemgee it's like just a bigger ipod, lol, how stupid do they think we are, kthx?" reactions, when in fact this product will probably push a new paradigm shift in the way workstations are built i.e. moving away from the plastic pieces of shit ubiquitously sold now. Seriously, I dare you…

Curiously, my first association was "jet engine", was amused to learn that to many it's a trash can. Am I the only one whose breath was taken away by this new design? Power desktop seriously revisited for the first time since the 80's, anyone?

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Re: Mac Pro

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 10:20 PM UTC

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #197

bjz_ wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Despite how the product fares, this kind of courage makes me hopeful about his leadership into the future.

This product must have been in development for years. In his biography (2011), Steve Jobs said he was working on an exciting new product, I think this was it. He also said Ive had already made the designs for the new products of the next 3 years. That’s not to say that Cook has to prove himself, he’s already done that for years. However, this product has Jobs written all over it (he was mad about powerful workstation…

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Re: Mac Pro

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 10:20 PM UTC

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #197

bjz_ wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Despite how the product fares, this kind of courage makes me hopeful about his leadership into the future.

This product must have been in development for years. In his biography (2011), Steve Jobs said he was working on an exciting new product, I think this was it. He also said Ive had already made the designs for the new products of the next 3 years. That’s not to say that Cook has to prove himself, he’s already done that for years. However, this product has Jobs written all over it (he was mad about powerful workstation…

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Re: Mac Pro

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 10:20 PM UTC

mojuba wrote: post #130

ansimionescu wrote: post #71

I love watching people moan about this yet unreleased product. I think the new Mac Pro episode will resemble the iPad one - lots of "ohemgee it's like just a bigger ipod, lol, how stupid do they think we are, kthx?" reactions, when in fact this product will probably push a new paradigm shift in the way workstations are built i.e. moving away from the plastic pieces of shit ubiquitously sold now. Seriously, I dare you…

Curiously, my first association was "jet engine", was amused to learn that to many it's a trash can. Am I the only one whose breath was taken away by this new design? Power desktop seriously revisited for the first time since the 80's, anyone?

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Re: Mac Pro

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Post by jroseattle » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 10:20 PM UTC

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #197

bjz_ wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Despite how the product fares, this kind of courage makes me hopeful about his leadership into the future.

This product must have been in development for years. In his biography (2011), Steve Jobs said he was working on an exciting new product, I think this was it. He also said Ive had already made the designs for the new products of the next 3 years. That’s not to say that Cook has to prove himself, he’s already done that for years. However, this product has Jobs written all over it (he was mad about powerful workstation…

I can't imagine Jobs would think this was an exciting new product, given that it is really not targeted at the masses. Not to talk down about the new Mac pro, but it's largely just new form factor plus latest components. It just doesn't strike me as something Jobs would label "exciting".

Jobs did probably have his hand in it at some time, though.