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NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor
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Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor
#52Tell me he's not a criminal liar after watching this.
Barack Obama: 10 Questions: Warrantless Wiretaps
Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor
#53Tell me he's not a criminal liar after watching this. Barack Obama: 10 Questions: Warrantless Wiretaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fnfVJzZT4
I can tell you he's a criminal liar without watching that.
Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor
#54In my opinion, he is a Traitor just like Bradley Manning for jeopardizing National Security.
How does letting everyone know the government is listening jeopardize National Security? If anything, I expect it would increase National Security, as everyone will toe the line more and more for fear of getting caught.
Those who are concerned about privacy should first protest against Google/Facebook/Yahoo etc for selling your private data to advertisers.
PRSIM project was in place to catch potential terrorists and thanks to Snowden for blowing it up and now good luck catching the bad guys.
I have nothing to worry about or hide because I'm not doing anything bad and I don't understand why everyone is so mad about privacy all of a sudden, do you have anything to hide, are you doing anything bad? Govt is at least not selling your data to 3rd parties like corporations do by giving it to advertisers. If anything I trust my data with the govt.
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#55This applies today more than ever. Up vote if you agree. First they came for the conservatives, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a conservative. Then they came for the tea party member, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a tea party member. Then they came for the Libertarians, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a libertarian. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.…
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#56I'M MAD AS HELL...AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!
“This administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide. I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining the Constitution and our freedom. That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing but protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. It is not who we are. It is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists. The FISA Court works. The separation of powers works. Our Constitution works. We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers and that justice is not arbitrary. This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security. It is not. There are no short cuts to protecting America.” - Obama
Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor
#57Neither word apply.
"Patriot", to me, suggests a unquestioning loyalty, lack of thought or perspective. "Traitor" suggests selling out both government and people to a foreign enemy.
Both are too broad, blunt, and loaded to describe anything useful.
What this man did was expose the government for the sake of the very people the government are supposed to answer to.
The problem his the the huge disconnect between government and the population.
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#5846 points in fifteen minutes and not a single comment? This NSA issue is seeming less and less like a discussion topic and more like a echo chamber, despite the rampant lack of information on all sides of the event.
This whole story has had a baffling effect on HN. For the last few days 4/5ths of everything on the frontpage has been related to the NSA. I'm not saying that its not an important issue, but Christ do we need to have every bloggers opinion upvoted to the top? Even Apple was only able to make the top of front page for a short time. This is HN and Apple's latest news is not the top story. It's like I'm on a completely…
Devil's Advocate: are we really upset that an unfolding scandal involving the right to privacy is displacing content about a shiny new product launch?
It's kind of interesting to witness the interaction between HN's overlapping circles of technologists, civil libertarians, and entrepreneurs.
To be fair, I agree that we need to avoid letting this discussion devolve into a frenzied mob of speculation. Misinformation can almost be worse than ignorance.
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#59Is it just me, or does it seem like this guy probably isn't holed up in Hong Kong but elsewhere? I really hope this guy is smart enough to not actually advertise where in the world he actually is to a bunch of people that would likely have no problems disappearing him. I really hope he's already in Iceland.
Or you know the Icelandic embassy in Hong Kong.
I hope he doesn't end up as another guy trapped in an embassy. With any luck he'll actually make it to the country.
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#60I wish everyone would wait more than 24 hours before drawing such concrete conclusions. We barely know that much of the story here yet, and I imagine a lot more of it is going to come out in the next few days (such as his true location, more about his career in the IC, etc.). In the past there have been dissidents like this where it turned out years later that a foreign intelligence service was behind them the whole…
Will you believe ANYTHING the news puts about him? I won't. With a very few exceptions (Guardian) the MSM are suspect.
It's all state driven misinformation.
The US gov's "trash his reputation machine" is in overdrive.