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NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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godgod wrote: post #25
josh2600 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is everything I hate about Reddit/Chain Letters/Mom and Dads Internet. You can make lists and ask for upvotes, but instead why don't you go and do some activism. Get off your ass and organize meetings, raise hell until you get people to care about the things you care about. Sending chain letters on HackerNews is the most Masturbatory thing you can do on the internet besides the deed itself.

https://www.eff.org/action Offline action taken. I protest and don't just sit on my ass. I spread the word. Comments on hn is just one mechanism. I fully agree with you though, get off your ass and do something.

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Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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Post by dredmorbius »

brown9-2 wrote: post #34

I wish everyone would wait more than 24 hours before drawing such concrete conclusions. We barely know that much of the story here yet, and I imagine a lot more of it is going to come out in the next few days (such as his true location, more about his career in the IC, etc.). In the past there have been dissidents like this where it turned out years later that a foreign intelligence service was behind them the whole…

One aspect of stories such as this is that the need to spin them is an essential component.

Universal surveillance / Assured liberty, to span both sides of this coin, are concepts which can only be sold if people believe in them. There are deep interests on either side of this debate, and one thing they're going to try to do is grab hold of the debate and steer it using language and concepts which are as charged as possible.

Plus there are plenty of idiots whole glom onto such concepts and repeat unverified information and sheer speculation. I'm exercising my user-tagging features heavily at the moment (no on HN, clearly, but elsewhere).

Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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brown9-2 wrote: post #34

I wish everyone would wait more than 24 hours before drawing such concrete conclusions. We barely know that much of the story here yet, and I imagine a lot more of it is going to come out in the next few days (such as his true location, more about his career in the IC, etc.). In the past there have been dissidents like this where it turned out years later that a foreign intelligence service was behind them the whole…

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Re: NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor

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Post by jlgreco »

jmduke wrote: post #3

46 points in fifteen minutes and not a single comment? This NSA issue is seeming less and less like a discussion topic and more like a echo chamber, despite the rampant lack of information on all sides of the event.

The fact that only 1/10 of my requests to HN are going through is surely not helping...
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