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Re: Mac Pro

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Post by mturmon »

bjustin wrote: post #73
gamache wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see it that way at all. The Mac Pro has always been about the top 1% power users. The appeal was twofold: it was a bitchin'-fast machine you could stuff with as many cards and drives as you want, and it ran OS X. This new design removes the former selling point. 12 core max (same as current)?? Four RAM slots (down from eight)?? 1/6th the volume (i.e. space to plug stuff in)?? This offers almost no advantage o…

>This offers almost no advantage over a late model iMac with a Thunderbolt-to-PCIe breakout module (which is what many power users have been doing in the years since the last update). A few big advantages over the iMac: Xeons processors, so more cores & more cache; ECC RAM; and (two) workstation graphics cards. Six thunderbolt ports means up to 36 (!) PCIe peripherals by daisy chaining, which means a lot more expanda…

Another interesting engineering innovation relative to the iMac is PCIe mass storage (as opposed to SATA).

Re: Mac Pro

#82

Post by reportingsjr »

gecko wrote: post #20
speedyrev wrote: post #13

The last upgradable mac is now dead. I thought the whole idea of the pro was the ability to put in graphic and other specialty cards as needed for "Pro" use. This looks like another cute consumer PC. Maybe they'll sell it along side the HP's at Sam's Club.

I think the idea here is that, between plentiful Firewire 2 and Thunderbolt 2, you now have enough external bandwidth that you shouldn't need internal cards. When given the choice, I prefer this route, since it means I can transport my proprietary stuff to other machines, or even use them with laptops in a pinch. That might not work for you, granted, but the amount of bandwidth available between all those ports (20 G…

A correction: Thunderbolt 2 can go up to 20Gbits/s not 20GBytes/s. Thunderbolt uses a 4x PCI-E 2.0 connection.

Things like graphics cards use 16x PCI-E 3.0 at this point which is 128Gbits/s.

Re: Mac Pro

#83

Post by anonymousab »

Finbarr wrote: post #22

I'm amused by all the disparaging comments about this new design. Every time Apple launches an incredible product it is always immediately decried. I'll wait til these are on sale before judging them.

Disparaging remarks? What, do you have something against trash cans?

Re: Mac Pro

#84

Post by piggybox »

podperson wrote: post #7

The design seems pretty ugly to me, but it is functional. It's essentially a wind tunnel with all the circuit boards placed against it.

Although I'm amazed at the thermal core design, it still looks like a litter bin somehow.

Re: Mac Pro

#85

Post by anonymousab »

Finbarr wrote: post #22

I'm amused by all the disparaging comments about this new design. Every time Apple launches an incredible product it is always immediately decried. I'll wait til these are on sale before judging them.

Disparaging remarks? What, do you have something against trash cans?

Re: Mac Pro

#87

Post by mturmon »

bjustin wrote: post #73
gamache wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see it that way at all. The Mac Pro has always been about the top 1% power users. The appeal was twofold: it was a bitchin'-fast machine you could stuff with as many cards and drives as you want, and it ran OS X. This new design removes the former selling point. 12 core max (same as current)?? Four RAM slots (down from eight)?? 1/6th the volume (i.e. space to plug stuff in)?? This offers almost no advantage o…

>This offers almost no advantage over a late model iMac with a Thunderbolt-to-PCIe breakout module (which is what many power users have been doing in the years since the last update). A few big advantages over the iMac: Xeons processors, so more cores & more cache; ECC RAM; and (two) workstation graphics cards. Six thunderbolt ports means up to 36 (!) PCIe peripherals by daisy chaining, which means a lot more expanda…

Another interesting engineering innovation relative to the iMac is PCIe mass storage (as opposed to SATA).

Re: Mac Pro

#88

Post by mike-cardwell »

bluthru wrote: post #29
podperson wrote: post #7

The design seems pretty ugly to me, but it is functional. It's essentially a wind tunnel with all the circuit boards placed against it.

It's a pure cylinder. How can a basic form be ugly? I'm pretty impressed that they didn't slap a logo on the front.

On the animation titled "Expansion, vastly expanded" you see an apple logo on the case briefly before the animation stops. Top/center.

Re: Mac Pro

#89

Post by mturmon »

bjustin wrote: post #73
gamache wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see it that way at all. The Mac Pro has always been about the top 1% power users. The appeal was twofold: it was a bitchin'-fast machine you could stuff with as many cards and drives as you want, and it ran OS X. This new design removes the former selling point. 12 core max (same as current)?? Four RAM slots (down from eight)?? 1/6th the volume (i.e. space to plug stuff in)?? This offers almost no advantage o…

>This offers almost no advantage over a late model iMac with a Thunderbolt-to-PCIe breakout module (which is what many power users have been doing in the years since the last update). A few big advantages over the iMac: Xeons processors, so more cores & more cache; ECC RAM; and (two) workstation graphics cards. Six thunderbolt ports means up to 36 (!) PCIe peripherals by daisy chaining, which means a lot more expanda…

Another interesting engineering innovation relative to the iMac is PCIe mass storage (as opposed to SATA).

Re: Mac Pro

#90

Post by bhauer »

mikeash wrote: post #65
untog wrote: post #6

This page is a fantastic example of great development skills used in a way that is utterly infuriating to use. I don't want it to animate when I use my scroll wheel. I want the page to scroll. Off topic, but were this and the Air the only product announced? If so, I'm disappointed- I was hoping to pick up an updated Macbook Retina 13". Oh well.

I imagine they designed it for trackpads, not scroll wheel mice. It works pretty well on a trackpad.

Odd that they implemented a web site for a desktop PC for consumption via the input devices of a laptop, and not a... desktop PC.
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