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Re: Wuala: Secure Cloud Storage

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Post by ff10 »

simgidacav wrote: post #51
ff10 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switzerland is a non-EU country. Switzerland has a long tradition of civil liberties, rights and participation. This results in regular legally binding referendums on the one side and tax evasions from civilians of other countries on the other.

The fact that they have been "good guys" until now doesn't say anything about the fact that they will be "good guys" forever.

This applies to good guys all over the world since ever. Btw, I did not state anywhere that I consider Switzerland as being the good guys. Applying qualities of character to a state is misleading IMHO.

Re: Wuala: Secure Cloud Storage

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Post by skeletonjelly »

sabret00the wrote: post #33

It's from Lacie, so no thank you. I bought a Lacie drive and proceeded to copy all my stuff onto it. Before I could get comfortable with it (so within the first six months of purchase) and before I backed up my stuff, the drive failed. I contacted Lacie about it and they proceeded to try and sell me a service whereby they'd recover my data for €300. That would've brought my total spend on the drive up to around £400.…

Wuala has been around for years. Like 5+. Lacie just bought it. Don't conflate.

Edit, 4 years 10 months. Lacie merge in 2010

Re: Wuala: Secure Cloud Storage

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Post by shin_lao »

gahahaha wrote: post #10

"""Do you plan to open the source code? Currently not. Opening the source code of Wuala would consume quite some time and effort, and commitment to maintain it. If you are a software engineer and would like to see how Wuala works, feel free to apply for a job at Wuala.""" ಠ_ಠ So.. an alternative, but not the solution we need.

And what would having the source code change?

Unless you host the data yourself, if you don't trust Wuala there is no guarantee the binaries you use are built from the source code you have.

Re: Wuala: Secure Cloud Storage

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Post by toyg »

ff10 wrote: post #46
Toshio wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also don't buy the whole premise of US government - bad, EU governments - good. When push comes to shove, governments everywhere will have no qualms about invading people's privacies en masse. Human nature is the same everywhere. Power corrupts everywhere.

Switzerland is a non-EU country. Switzerland has a long tradition of civil liberties, rights and participation. This results in regular legally binding referendums on the one side and tax evasions from civilians of other countries on the other.

Switzerland recently increased cooperation efforts with EU countries on many, many issues. The geopolitical reality is that progressive (if glacially slow) solidification of the EU block is making it a politically as well as physically landlocked country. Such nations have clear limits in their independence in practice; to mention just one, any cable originating in Switzerland will inevitably have to pass through a EU country - worse, through a EU border, which allows for all sorts of shenanigans like the 2009 Swedish interception law.

Re: Wuala: Secure Cloud Storage

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Post by shin_lao »

maggit wrote: post #9

I recently tried replacing Dropbox with Wuala because of privacy concerns. I failed, and in the process realized how successful Dropbox has been in creating an awesome user experience! I'm still looking for a locally encrypted Dropbox-alternative. So if any of you are making one, please speak up :) (Edit) I should specify that it was the user experience that made me give up on Wuala, and any proper Dropbox alternativ…

I did the same switch, but didn't experience any specific problem. Actually I thought it was better done than Dropbox and had fewer sync issues.

Re: Wuala: Secure Cloud Storage

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Post by stefanve »

noinsight wrote: post #15
maggit wrote: post #9

I recently tried replacing Dropbox with Wuala because of privacy concerns. I failed, and in the process realized how successful Dropbox has been in creating an awesome user experience! I'm still looking for a locally encrypted Dropbox-alternative. So if any of you are making one, please speak up :) (Edit) I should specify that it was the user experience that made me give up on Wuala, and any proper Dropbox alternativ…

Spideroak supposedly offers that, but it's still U.S. based. They haven't open sourced their client (they've stated they will) so it's hard to completely verify. If you want to host it yourself there's Seafile but I haven't seen any in-depth review of it and it's Chinese-based (if that's a problem [for you]).

I really like SpiderOak I have been using them for more than two years. Resent update added a true dropbox experience. And most importantly it has a client for Linux, OSX, windows, ios and Android.

Re: Wuala: Secure Cloud Storage

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Post by dteoh »

maggit wrote: post #9

I recently tried replacing Dropbox with Wuala because of privacy concerns. I failed, and in the process realized how successful Dropbox has been in creating an awesome user experience! I'm still looking for a locally encrypted Dropbox-alternative. So if any of you are making one, please speak up :) (Edit) I should specify that it was the user experience that made me give up on Wuala, and any proper Dropbox alternativ…

I use Dropbox with Boxcryptor (https://www.boxcryptor.com/). It creates an encrypted drive/folder using a key of your own choosing.

Re: Wuala: Secure Cloud Storage

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Post by fmavituna »

shin_lao wrote: post #63
gahahaha wrote: post #10

"""Do you plan to open the source code? Currently not. Opening the source code of Wuala would consume quite some time and effort, and commitment to maintain it. If you are a software engineer and would like to see how Wuala works, feel free to apply for a job at Wuala.""" ಠ_ಠ So.. an alternative, but not the solution we need.

And what would having the source code change? Unless you host the data yourself, if you don't trust Wuala there is no guarantee the binaries you use are built from the source code you have.

You can see the client code and confirm that it actually encrypts all of the data and use your own copy rather than their binaries.

Technically if the client is not sending not encrypted data and encrypts without a foul, then nothing they can do on the server-side can cause leaking your data.

Re: Wuala: Secure Cloud Storage

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Post by kyle_t »

Pyramids wrote: post #25
maggit wrote: post #9

I recently tried replacing Dropbox with Wuala because of privacy concerns. I failed, and in the process realized how successful Dropbox has been in creating an awesome user experience! I'm still looking for a locally encrypted Dropbox-alternative. So if any of you are making one, please speak up :) (Edit) I should specify that it was the user experience that made me give up on Wuala, and any proper Dropbox alternativ…

If you're concerned about your personal data, and not so much about targeted attacks against you, I'd say stay with Dropbox and just use EncFS. You can do this on Linux (and presumably OS X, as well) fairly easily. On Windows, there is a single-developer port of EncFS, which from what I've heard works fairly well: http://members.ferrara.linux.it/freddy77/encfs.html A quick search turns up a guide which (at first glan…

Thumbs up to this. Been using the EncFS windows port for roughly a year with Google Drive with no issues. I was previously using TrueCrypt but the lack of differential sync was a killer on my TrueCrypt containers.

Re: Wuala: Secure Cloud Storage

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Post by shin_lao »

fmavituna wrote: post #68
shin_lao wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what would having the source code change? Unless you host the data yourself, if you don't trust Wuala there is no guarantee the binaries you use are built from the source code you have.

You can see the client code and confirm that it actually encrypts all of the data and use your own copy rather than their binaries. Technically if the client is not sending not encrypted data and encrypts without a foul, then nothing they can do on the server-side can cause leaking your data.

Just two ideas on top of my head:

Through auto updates you can make sure that you get the backdoored version or you can have an exploit within the software to allow "silent" remote updates (good luck finding that).

So well... Either you do it end to end, or you trust the third party.

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