Similar actions has been affecting other businesses earlier:
"Due to this, Swedish-Finnish TeliaSonera has, as of June 5, 2008, moved their Sonera (Finnish) e-mail servers out of Sweden, as Finnish law requires communication to be confidential. They have also transferred Swedish customers from Finnish to Swedish servers, to prevent Sweden-to-Sweden e-mail from crossing the border."
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#142It's safe to say that if i find a real alternative to Google Apps i will be moving a few hundred people away from Google Apps. Right now we just have to live with the 1984 feeling.
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#143One of the rather interesting side issues in this whole debate has been how casually the rights of foreigners are tossed aside as secondary to those of american citizens. There is intense debate about whether US citizens rights are being violated, but almost nobody questions whether there's any moral or ethical issue with completely unrestrained spying on everybody else. While I understand that this is largely becaus…
I can't speak for others, but as far as I am concerned, every person on earth has the exact same rights. I see no difference between an American and someone from another country. This informs my stance on all of US foreign policy. To me, spying on an innocent Iraqi or Chinese citizen is just as morally reprehensible as spying on an innocent American citizen. That being said, not all people feel as I do, and you are r…
I think a better way to look at it is that rights are cultural, but that if we are serious about living in a decent and respectful world we should in our actions extend to others the rights we want to have ourselves.
Does free speech extend to advocating going out and killing all African Americans at a white supremacist rally? In the US it does, but only because of our bad experiences during the Red Scares. In Canada or the EU it wouldn't. What right do either side have to force their definitions on the other?
This being said, the argument can easily be made that spying is somewhat different. The general fear is that since governments monopolize violence their actions towards spying on their own must be more restrained than spying on others because the dangers in adopting a "show me the man and I will find you the crime" apply at home to a much greater degree than they apply abroad.
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#144How much of it was Bush rather than Obama?
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#145This is the Europeans' "big break", and they need to take advantage of it. Hopefully they won't resolve around UK, because it's probably just as bad at this. Maybe Germany can be the center of innovation in Europe. At least they have some pretty strong laws and strict judges, and citizens can even create their own laws and referendums.
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#146One of the rather interesting side issues in this whole debate has been how casually the rights of foreigners are tossed aside as secondary to those of american citizens. There is intense debate about whether US citizens rights are being violated, but almost nobody questions whether there's any moral or ethical issue with completely unrestrained spying on everybody else. While I understand that this is largely becaus…
There is intense debate about whether US citizens rights are being violated, but almost nobody questions whether there's any moral or ethical issue with completely unrestrained spying on everybody else.
Almost nobody in the US, perhaps, but this whole mess isn't doing the US any favours at all with the international community, certainly not here in Europe.
I'd say there's a fair chance the cavalier attitude towards the rights of non-citizens so overtly displayed by leading US politicians and security people over the past few days could ultimately swing the entire public debate in a way the US administration really doesn't want it to go. Those statements get broadcast on TV internationally, too, and everyone in the room cringes when they hear them.
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#147I am an American and I just want to point out that my latest startup ( http://www.efficito.com ) is a Limited UK company, and my co-founder is from the Netherlands. It would certainly be to my advantage if things change. We offer cloud-based ERP, and you might be interested to know our main hosting server is currently in the Czech Republic. We are also paranoid about security (all access is encrtpted, and we are look…
I'm a UK citizen with a startup http://microco.sm that has gone to some lengths to avoid US domains, companies and laws. All of our domains are EU based, the company is UK based, and whilst we've used Linode for blog and basic site-hosting and will use Cloudflare for CDN, we are putting nothing on the server of a US company that could be a risk to privacy. All of our data we are keeping within the EU which we feel ho…
What I'm saying is that I foresee a hybrid approach in which company data officers will help guide all identifiable data and transactions to EU or local sovereign cloud companies, and that only data that is not personally identifiable, containing company secrets or in the form of aggregated data will be stored on US-linked cloud companies.
This seems to be the best approach and respects EU data protection laws, consumer expectations and rights, and still offers the company flexibility on choosing based on price/performance.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't speak for others, but as far as I am concerned, every person on earth has the exact same rights. I see no difference between an American and someone from another country. This informs my stance on all of US foreign policy. To me, spying on an innocent Iraqi or Chinese citizen is just as morally reprehensible as spying on an innocent American citizen. That being said, not all people feel as I do, and you are r…
At least in most countries, this is just not the way it works, legally. Every country has different rights for citizens and non-citizens. For example, the US has held the 4th amendment does not apply to non-citizens who are not "part of the national community" (IE if a bunch of canadians came down and fished every weekend, you could search them however without violating the 4th amendment. If they lived here illegally…
> For example, the US has held the 4th amendment does not apply to non-citizens who are not "part of the national community"
Could you please provide a reference for this?
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#149Nowhere in the world can you escape from US omniscient powers nowadays, and I can't help think this may be the prophesied New World Order (or if you're a Christian, the "Great Abominable Church").
It's imperialism via information, and US corporations are the foot soldiers.
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#150One of the rather interesting side issues in this whole debate has been how casually the rights of foreigners are tossed aside as secondary to those of american citizens. There is intense debate about whether US citizens rights are being violated, but almost nobody questions whether there's any moral or ethical issue with completely unrestrained spying on everybody else. While I understand that this is largely becaus…
Does anyone know how these companies, et al., actually differentiate US Citizens from Non-US Citizens? I don't remember clicking the "I'm a US Citizen box" on any website.
> Does anyone know how these companies, et al., actually differentiate US Citizens from Non-US Citizens? I don't remember clicking the "I'm a US Citizen box" on any website.
I think you were just trolling but if not then one of hundreds possible ways to find that:
1. get a hold of your your email (or name and then facebook / gmail snoop)
2. your email leads to your paypal account
3. your paypal account leads to your dob and ssn, bank accounts
4. your banks accounts hold information whether you are citizen or not;
- OR -
4. your ssn codification tells whether by the time obtaining the number you were citizen or not
PayPal, Facebook and Palantr has the same co-owner, P. Thiel.
But seriously I don't think they discriminate. Last thing they look at is whether you are citizen or not. Your IPs (all the one you ever used while login to any website you have an account with) can quickly tell them whether you are on US soil or not. Most likely as long as you are here, you are consider us citizen, whether lawfully or not but you "operate" on US soil so the same rules apply to you. Good example would be if you are in US as a tourist -- you still need to obey US laws and regulations.