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Re: Did Obama Just Destroy the U.S. Internet Industry?

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Post by obstacle1 » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 3:54 AM UTC

danilocampos wrote: post #44

purephase wrote: post #30

Nothing will change. If you think that those involved were not prepared for the eventually of a leak, you'd be very naive. The fact that all of these companies have been sitting on boilerplate denial statements speaks volumes. Contingency plans have been put in place for this eventuality and the people making these plans are experts at dealing with these situations. My guess is that the gameplan for the US government…

> The fact that all of these companies have been sitting on boilerplate denial statements speaks volumes. Can you show your work on this? How would we know this?

A bunch of people compared ~9 of the companies' statements in a past thread. They are all identical in structure, form, and style, with only minor differences like differing adjectives and emphases. They all also beat the exact same terminology to death. Namely, "direct access".

Re: Did Obama Just Destroy the U.S. Internet Industry?

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Post by buzu » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 3:57 AM UTC

I live in the UK and for me this is a big deal. While this issue was always in the back of my mind, I never had concrete proof that this was happening.

Now that my fears have been answered, I shall think twice before buying any cloud space on US companies servers. I will be speaking to my colleagues on the effects this will on our existing data and how will this effect the trust with our customers.

I think this is a huge deal.

Re: Did Obama Just Destroy the U.S. Internet Industry?

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Post by vertis » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 3:58 AM UTC

jval wrote: post #40

This is a huge deal. I live in Australia and I have been running businesses on the cloud for the last 3 years or so. I have rarely heard the issue of the PATRIOT Act raised and in spite of there being laws banning the transfer of personal data outside Australia, most people are quite lax about the issue and take the view that the risks are too small to be counted. Those days are most certainly over. This stuff will a…

I'm, also in Australia.

NB: It's a real struggle to not make this sound paranoid.

Just at an individual level, I'm questioning whether it's wise to store my data in a US service that won't afford me the same protection as US citizens.

I've already started reducing my reliance on Google, and I barely use facebook, but things like Amazon and Linode are much harder for me to quickly divorce myself from.

Re: Did Obama Just Destroy the U.S. Internet Industry?

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Post by BoyWizard » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 3:59 AM UTC

jval wrote: post #40

This is a huge deal. I live in Australia and I have been running businesses on the cloud for the last 3 years or so. I have rarely heard the issue of the PATRIOT Act raised and in spite of there being laws banning the transfer of personal data outside Australia, most people are quite lax about the issue and take the view that the risks are too small to be counted. Those days are most certainly over. This stuff will a…

> in spite of there being laws banning the transfer of personal data outside Australia, most people are quite lax about the issue and take the view that the risks are too small to be counted.

I can tell you from working in the finance industry in Australia and APEA, larger companies/banks take this very seriously due to compliance obligations with regulators (APRA, MAS, HKMA, etc).

Re: Did Obama Just Destroy the U.S. Internet Industry?

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Post by a3n » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 4:00 AM UTC

tippytop wrote: post #38

raganwald wrote: post #9

It's odd, I hear people saying, "no big deal, nothing will change." But then I wonder, if you're saying it's no big deal, are you an American or not? The point of this pst is that foreign business will be affected, AFAICT, Europeans have always held the Internet to a stricter standard than Americans and have passed stricter laws around everything from what data can be retained to the behaviour of tracking cookies. If…

I think it will change things; I'm an American. Having your customers trust is important for business---now data stored offshore has just become a feature.

I'm an American, and I think things will change - for the worse. I'd like to think that if morality or the Constitution didn't stop this shit, at least bidness would.

But I think what will really happen is that the administration, and the bureaucrats, and the security "services" in general will double down, be much more secretive about what they do, be much better at what they do (grants coming soon to a computer science department near you), be much more aggressive to prosecute and intimidate whistle blowers, and put more layers on the stonewall of denial.

The government has become self aware.

Re: Did Obama Just Destroy the U.S. Internet Industry?

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Post by noerps » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 4:00 AM UTC

parennoob wrote: post #32

I'm not sure how common this is on this site, but I happen to be an HN reader the vast majority of whose friends in the US and across the world don't know or follow technology/security stuff. Out of my 600-odd 'friends' on Facebook, one (1) is posting stuff about the NSA allegations. The other 599, are posting pictures of cats, music videos, snaps from vacation, reflections about life, et cetera. I myself am extremel…

I really concur and like to add there are now one or two generations of young adults and their kids out there, who have never even considered privacy (as in non-exhibitionism).

Re: Did Obama Just Destroy the U.S. Internet Industry?

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Post by hemancuso » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 4:00 AM UTC

jval wrote: post #40

This is a huge deal. I live in Australia and I have been running businesses on the cloud for the last 3 years or so. I have rarely heard the issue of the PATRIOT Act raised and in spite of there being laws banning the transfer of personal data outside Australia, most people are quite lax about the issue and take the view that the risks are too small to be counted. Those days are most certainly over. This stuff will a…

Agreed.

I am surprised that Amazon, Rackspace et. al. aren't coming out and letting their customers know where they stand in all of this.

Re: Did Obama Just Destroy the U.S. Internet Industry?

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Post by hackula1 » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 4:01 AM UTC

hemancuso wrote: post #57

jval wrote: post #40

This is a huge deal. I live in Australia and I have been running businesses on the cloud for the last 3 years or so. I have rarely heard the issue of the PATRIOT Act raised and in spite of there being laws banning the transfer of personal data outside Australia, most people are quite lax about the issue and take the view that the risks are too small to be counted. Those days are most certainly over. This stuff will a…

Agreed. I am surprised that Amazon, Rackspace et. al. aren't coming out and letting their customers know where they stand in all of this.

Pleading the fifth apparently...

Re: Did Obama Just Destroy the U.S. Internet Industry?

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Post by bifrost » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 4:01 AM UTC

I don't think he's capable of destroying it, but he's certainly set things back quite a ways. We've known about domestic internet spying for quite some time, but its definately gotten bigger and badder under the current administration.

I hope people finally will stop with the "oh but nobody is looking at my stuff" attitude, because now they know BigBrother(tm) is watching.

Re: Did Obama Just Destroy the U.S. Internet Industry?

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Post by rdl » Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 4:03 AM UTC

IMO it should be a much bigger deal for totally commodity services (IMAP/SMTP, file storage, etc.) vs. "unique" services (it's not like you could run your own Facebook server in Iceland...)