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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ad hominem alert! FWIW, much as I get annoyed by Michael's constant negative comments about Google (experiences which are fairly foreign to my own experience there), they are still his experiences. Take them with a grain of salt, but take everyone's experiences from the Internet with a grain of salt. Also FWIW, I have a number of friends who are generally shiny happy people who were basically ground down into dust in…

Please look at the definition of ad hominem before tossing the term around. You also seem to have read a personal opinion into my post that simply isn't there!

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

Structure of this thread:

MOC: I spent a year in graduate school. Life-wise, graduate school is a pretty negative experience.

Shardling: Probably worth pointing out that MOC has an extremely negative view of many of their life experiences.

That's exactly the form of an ad-hominem argument: Person A makes a statement, person B brings up some fact about person A that would lead them to make that statement, ergo person A's statement is invalid. The problem here is logical, not personal: just because MOC has made negative statements about other things does not mean this negative statement is without basis.

I read no such personal opinion into your post: I'm attacking your logic, not your tone.

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#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please look at the definition of ad hominem before tossing the term around. You also seem to have read a personal opinion into my post that simply isn't there!

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html Structure of this thread: MOC: I spent a year in graduate school. Life-wise, graduate school is a pretty negative experience. Shardling: Probably worth pointing out that MOC has an extremely negative view of many of their life experiences. That's exactly the form of an ad-hominem argument: Person A makes a statement, person B brings up some fact about person A…

Ad hominem attacks are when you imply that someone's argument is invalid because of their background. That's what makes it a fallacy -- the validity of someone's argument is completely unrelated to their personal qualities.

http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html

In contrast, when someone offers an anecdote about their experiences, or in general offers their subjective judgement, then knowing something about them is damn important! For instance, if I knew MOC was a compulsive liar, that would certainly be relevant. Likewise, if MOC was in general an optimist who was loath to ever say anything negative, that would lend extra weight to their comments on grad school.

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#43
Answering as a newly minted PhD in Epidemiology in the US, with my thoughts and commentary on the "Correct" answers.

1. When you finished your undergraduate degree, you ...

Worked for six months as a research assistant, and realized that while I liked the work a lot, I liked the idea of asking my own questions more, and knew there was no way I was really going to be able to do that without a PhD, regardless of how very supportive and generally awesome my work environment was.

2. You think that the hardest part of postgraduate study will be ... D. getting an appointment with your supervisor

Hard, but not the hardest. The hardest was when the "What am I doing with my life, is this all a mistake" changed frequency from once a semester to once a month, then once a week, then toward the very end essentially a rolling wave of panic and writing.

3. You like the idea of research, because ... D. you are wholly unemployable

This one made me roll my eyes a bit. I'm employable, and more employable now than when I started (whether or not going from an MS to a PhD changed much is up for debate). I like the idea of research because I like asking questions that haven't been asked. I like planning the approach, and seeing it come together, and ushering said idea to print.

4. When confronted with a difficult problem to solve you tend to be ...

Staring at the whiteboard I bought from an office liquidator. Usually with markers of about 10 colors.

5. If faced with a challenge requiring a wholly new solution you usually ...

Make sure it can't just be simulated first.

6. If asked to write up your work you ... D. spend a week configuring LaTex appropriately

Smirk at the math/physics/CS types who are convinced that their way is the only possible way science gets done, and go back to Powerpoint. Keynote if I'm feeling flashy.

7. Somebody criticises your discipline, you ... Since it's a fairly small number of specific criticisms, by now I've got a pretty well developed tier of questions to help guide the conversation. Did you read X? In X, did you notice Y, or read the companion article by Z?...

8. When it is suggested that that the solution to a particular challenge might be best found within another discipline you ...

I'm not at all surprised, considering my field as a discipline has kind of camped out at an intersection and shamelessly stolen from others.

9. You have told your family and partner that you are considering doing a PhD, they are ...

They were supportive at the time, and supportive still.

10. You will be part of a research team, this will allow you to ... Lab Happy Hour.

11. Your friends say you are ... "in my program, he's one of the infectious disease guys."

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#44

Here's my two cents (I got my Ph.D. in physics from U. Chicago): I went to grad school because 1) Chicago physics was famously challenging and I wanted the challenge, 2) Everyone else I knew went to grad school - I didn't know how to look for a job, 3) Chicago was a big city with good live music and nice architecture. All were wrong - the only acceptable answer I believe is "I love science so much, I want to be a sci…

Every day you're Capuling? :) I have a real question about this: is there something in your head that prevented you from stopping? Is it just something that has always been a part of you, or did you just make a decision that for once in your life, you were going to stick with something?

I'm pretty tenacious and don't give up easily in general, which has led me to go down with several sinking ships (women and startups). I did realize I was involved in something special - the hard part was getting accepted to the program and for condensed matter physics, it was fairly straightforward to get your ph.d. (not easy, straightforward). Pick an exotic material, do a measurement no one has done and write about it.

I was unmarried, no mortgage or car payments and I had already completed 2 years out of an estimated 5.5. I just had to ignore my annoying advisor, focus and try to enjoy the cool, interesting parts of the science. I loved machining my own metal parts. And also I had to get away at times and try to have a life outside the lab. So, I decided to stick with it.

No regrets - I'm 44 now, and I admit I was fairly bitter about the experience for at least a decade after I finished.

The last thoughts are: Lot's and lot's of work. Can you be force-fed your favorite food 24x7 for 5 years and still like it? Like how Homer Simpson thwarted the devil force feeding him donuts?

I did have an office mate who worked 9-5, was a 6'2" former speed skating champion of Canada, wife and kid and was always planning to work for McKinsey and company, which he did after completing his Ph.D. in 4 years. Other people have different experiences. I was a hard worker, other people were brilliant.

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#45

Here's my two cents (I got my Ph.D. in physics from U. Chicago): I went to grad school because 1) Chicago physics was famously challenging and I wanted the challenge, 2) Everyone else I knew went to grad school - I didn't know how to look for a job, 3) Chicago was a big city with good live music and nice architecture. All were wrong - the only acceptable answer I believe is "I love science so much, I want to be a sci…

Every day you're Capuling? :) I have a real question about this: is there something in your head that prevented you from stopping? Is it just something that has always been a part of you, or did you just make a decision that for once in your life, you were going to stick with something?

And, yes - we're Capuling! Who is not against creeping authoritarianism and attempts to wipe out diversity?

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Part I I will give an answer focused on STEM field Ph.D. programs in the US. Pros: Professor Career. A Ph.D. is nearly essential for a career as a professor. If you want such a career, then about have to get a Ph.D. Learning. A Ph.D., both in your coursework and your independent study, can let you learn much more about your field. Some of what you learn might be quite powerful and valuable later in your career, espec…

Part II (6) Background. A good way to win a 100 yard dash foot race is to start one foot from the finish line. Otherwise, get a head start. Or, get an 'unfair advantage'. So, for the approach of 'mathematizing' engineering, start with a solid undergraduate degree in pure and applied math. Then get a Master's concentrating on selected topics in pure and applied math. E.g., even if you want to get a Ph.D. in computer s…

Thanks for this.

One question: why "stay single"?

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