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Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by Ygg2 »

john_flintstone wrote: post #78

Questions for people with nothing to hide: 1. Have you ever had an abortion? 2. Have you ever cheated on your husband / wife? 3. Are you currently looking for a new job? 4. Have you ever being diagnosed with a mental illness? 5. Are you currently on anti-depressants? 6. Were you ever sexually abused as a child? 7. Have you ever fancied someone of the same sex? 8. Have you ever had sex with someone of the same sex? 9.…

You can simply ask them do you go everywhere naked? If not then they have something to hide. Literally.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by mehwoot »

randallsquared wrote: post #119
mehwoot wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Each of those tweets I can see says "nothing to hide from the government ". You are not the government. Secondly, the fact that you would stoop to doing exactly the sort of thing you oppose, because these people are on the other side of a debate, shows exactly the sort of thinking that creates these problems in the first place. Even if they explicitly asked for it, which they didn't , you still shouldn't do it if you…

Even the staunchest privacy advocates don't use privacy to mean that people shouldn't be able to share their information with others, as far as I'm aware. Therefore, a privacy advocate searching for and publishing information about people who've explicitly given permission is certainly not doing anything that they believe "shouldn't be done to people".

Explain to me then what the purpose of collecting all the public data about these people and publishing it would be.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by straight_talk »

For 99.999% of the US population the totalitarian monitoring won't have any direct consequences in the near future. The real problem IMHO is that it makes impossible to create any kind of opposition to the current political-financial-media elite. Any potential leader of such opposition will be thoroughly studied and profiled. Nothing found to black mail him with? Well he likes to eat at a certain italian restaurant and he likes blonde women. Throw some narcotic in his food, have a 17yo girl seduce him and that guy belongs for life ...

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by bad_user »

thomseddon wrote: post #106
john_flintstone wrote: post #78

Questions for people with nothing to hide: 1. Have you ever had an abortion? 2. Have you ever cheated on your husband / wife? 3. Are you currently looking for a new job? 4. Have you ever being diagnosed with a mental illness? 5. Are you currently on anti-depressants? 6. Were you ever sexually abused as a child? 7. Have you ever fancied someone of the same sex? 8. Have you ever had sex with someone of the same sex? 9.…

One important thing to recognize is that: "You can read my text/call logs" !== "You and the rest of the world can know everything about me" So someone saying they "have nothing to hide" doesn't really mean they would answer all the above question publicly, but rather there is no electronic record/evidence of anything they know they want to keep private. And, as another point of discussion, whilst the matters raised i…

One other important thing to recognize: many people have leaked confidential/private info, even without them realizing it.

Example: the SMS messages I send to my wife tend to contain more sensitive info than the Facebook messages I publish for the whole world to see. This is because I trust my wife and when she's the sole recipient of a message, I tend to be more honest and open-minded with her than I am with the rest of the world. Plus, she knows me well enough to interpret my thoughts into context, whereas other people can only interpret my written thoughts out of context. N.B. the recipients of a message do matter for the enclosed content ;-)

And yet another important thing to recognize: even if you know that your communications may be wire-tapped, you still feel safe because why in the world would those in power be interested about your private life?

Example: when I send an SMS message to my wife, I know that my mobile career may record every message I send. It doesn't usually bother me, since I'm not doing or thinking of illegal activities, but then again, this may be a decision that will come back haunting me (and I'll stop here since I'm trying really hard to avoid Godwin's law).

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by johnchristopher »

stfu wrote: post #107
mehwoot wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An internet campaign by privacy advocates to shame those people who expressed an opinion. That's a great idea. You should totally do it. This won't backfire or be hypocritical in any way shape or form.

I don't understand in how far this is an act of shaming. If I walk around the pool and tell people that I like to get thrown into the pool I expect somebody to throw me into the pool.

It's an analogy really close to "She's walking around in a slutty dress so she asked for it".

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by a3n »

It doesn't matter if you have nothing to hide. Allowing or encouraging the government to spy without good reason creates a government that spies without good reason. A government that thinks it's your boss. A government made of people, some of whom will take up those tools enthusiastically for their own personal gain or satisfaction or advantage. A government that thinks it has rights, as a separate entity from its citizens.

Fuck that.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by alan_cx »

rmc wrote: post #60
ck2 wrote: post #39

Think about how the NSA helped stop all the killings and maimings at the boston bombing. Oh wait, they didn't - from two super stupid criminals not even trying to hide what they were planning. So WTF good are they doing for all the damage they've done to our society. NSA has become just like the TSA, completely useless theater that hassles everyone and accomplishes nothing. Just wait until they can park hundreds of d…

Select bias. You don't know what they did stop.

Which is the same nasty logic as if you have nothing to hide routine.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by alan_cx »

dylangs1030 wrote: post #24

Since this isn't immediately clear to commenters - this is designed to be ironic. I don't know if all the people volunteering tweets know that, but it's clearly described in the website linked on this Twitter account[1]. I highly recommend you go there for further reading, it presents a lot of useful data about the FBI and the United States' breach of privacy and constitutional rights recently and historically. The a…

Sadly another example of why irony does not work well in writing. You need the body language and facial expressions to sell it. My sense of humour tends to include a lot of irony and I have had to learn that lesson and now rarely express it on line.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by legutierr »

finnw wrote: post #126
thomseddon wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One important thing to recognize is that: "You can read my text/call logs" !== "You and the rest of the world can know everything about me" So someone saying they "have nothing to hide" doesn't really mean they would answer all the above question publicly, but rather there is no electronic record/evidence of anything they know they want to keep private. And, as another point of discussion, whilst the matters raised i…

Some of these questions can be guessed at by data mining from your email and social network data.

All of these can likely be found out by having access to your financial records, medical/insurance records, telephone metadata, texts, and voicemail records in addition to email and social network data.
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