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Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by wslh »

john_flintstone wrote: post #78

Questions for people with nothing to hide: 1. Have you ever had an abortion? 2. Have you ever cheated on your husband / wife? 3. Are you currently looking for a new job? 4. Have you ever being diagnosed with a mental illness? 5. Are you currently on anti-depressants? 6. Were you ever sexually abused as a child? 7. Have you ever fancied someone of the same sex? 8. Have you ever had sex with someone of the same sex? 9.…

Studies say that N % of people who do items X1, X2, ... Xm are very dangerous to the society. Are you saying that you don't believe in statistics?

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by mehwoot »

stfu wrote: post #82
john_flintstone wrote: post #78

Questions for people with nothing to hide: 1. Have you ever had an abortion? 2. Have you ever cheated on your husband / wife? 3. Are you currently looking for a new job? 4. Have you ever being diagnosed with a mental illness? 5. Are you currently on anti-depressants? 6. Were you ever sexually abused as a child? 7. Have you ever fancied someone of the same sex? 8. Have you ever had sex with someone of the same sex? 9.…

Apparently those people in the twitter feed are fine with getting registered and living under high transparency. My suggestion would be a crowd funded campaign to doxx each one of them. Would be happy to donate a few hours of my time tracing their real names. With some funded capital we could buy and publish for each one a personal background check sort of a personal gift to free them from the burden of anonymity.

An internet campaign by privacy advocates to shame those people who expressed an opinion. That's a great idea. You should totally do it. This won't backfire or be hypocritical in any way shape or form.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by hzay »

john_flintstone wrote: post #78

Questions for people with nothing to hide: 1. Have you ever had an abortion? 2. Have you ever cheated on your husband / wife? 3. Are you currently looking for a new job? 4. Have you ever being diagnosed with a mental illness? 5. Are you currently on anti-depressants? 6. Were you ever sexually abused as a child? 7. Have you ever fancied someone of the same sex? 8. Have you ever had sex with someone of the same sex? 9.…

Until a few weeks ago, my answer to all these questions would have been on the safe side (except for 11 which is very open-ended). I think, most people who say "I have nothing to hide, so why should I worry about privacy?" have a list like this one to fall back upon.

The question of whether you have anything to hide is really the same as whether you're willing to put everything that you have ever thought under legal scrutiny. It's not about being on the "correct social and legal side" in all the tame scenarios that one has dreamed up.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by tripzilch »

john_flintstone wrote: post #78

Questions for people with nothing to hide: 1. Have you ever had an abortion? 2. Have you ever cheated on your husband / wife? 3. Are you currently looking for a new job? 4. Have you ever being diagnosed with a mental illness? 5. Are you currently on anti-depressants? 6. Were you ever sexually abused as a child? 7. Have you ever fancied someone of the same sex? 8. Have you ever had sex with someone of the same sex? 9.…

That twitter bot should mix those questions with the automatic retweets.

(and, just curious, but why does it matter if the local policeman is 23 years old? :) )

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by vacri »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #74
EliRivers wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing irrational about fear of judgement. I do things that are completely legal that, if many other people knew I did them, would cause them to treat me differently, to my detriment. You seem to be saying that I shouldn't hide them. My choice is to stop doing something I like doing, or accept that people will judge me and I will be treated a little worse. Why? Why should I have to do that? Why can't I keep…

Is there a limit to hiding? Should we wear mask all the time, simply to avoid judgement? Why is it that we don't try to hide what is readily visible? Don't you think that it's because readily visible things are easier to accept and tolerate? Privacy makes people think they're alone with their problems. If no one talk about theirs, I guess it's because they don't have any. Should we simply rely on stats to know we're…

It's not "simply to avoid judgement". You're hand-waving "judgement" away as something meaningless. It can and does cause people to treat you poorly.

An example: If you work in support for anything like the general public, you either don't swear or keep it to a minimum. You may swear like a trooper in your private life, but it's not worth the social friction to "be open to everyone" in your support job.

Basically you're taking the argument to a purely theoretical level, where everyone needs to buy in for it to work, and that's just not feasible.

And in any case, whether or not we're open with each other is an entirely different argument as to whether we're open with an authoritative entity that doesn't always act in the best interests of the general public.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by wslh »

stfu wrote: post #82
john_flintstone wrote: post #78

Questions for people with nothing to hide: 1. Have you ever had an abortion? 2. Have you ever cheated on your husband / wife? 3. Are you currently looking for a new job? 4. Have you ever being diagnosed with a mental illness? 5. Are you currently on anti-depressants? 6. Were you ever sexually abused as a child? 7. Have you ever fancied someone of the same sex? 8. Have you ever had sex with someone of the same sex? 9.…

Apparently those people in the twitter feed are fine with getting registered and living under high transparency. My suggestion would be a crowd funded campaign to doxx each one of them. Would be happy to donate a few hours of my time tracing their real names. With some funded capital we could buy and publish for each one a personal background check sort of a personal gift to free them from the burden of anonymity.

Apparently those people in the twitter feed are fine with getting registered and living under high transparency.

I suggest the NSA to record them having sex to see how clean they are. Obviously the videos will be encryped so only intelligence agencies can watch them.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by danso »

Fun novelty account, but if you actually read some of the tweets, you'll see that some of these people are being facetious. For example:

> NSA wants to spy on me? GO AHEAD! You'll see some sick shit!!! #NSA #privacy #government #internetsex #bringiton

> I'm fine with the NSA listening to my calls, but god help them if they're reading my twitter drafts.

> I'm fine with the NSA listening to my phone calls. Maybe the next time I'm getting unhelpful advice from AT&T, they could jump in and help

I know this is just a novelty account, though some on here have already called to "dox" these people. Remember that when you see a Tweet, you are literally seeing 140 characters of text, with no context to what that person was referring to or the kind of flippant personality that person may have.

Judging someone you had no previous knowledge based on a brief message...hmm, sounds like what our government agents do from time to time.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by vacri »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #76
greyman wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Privacy has no intrinsic value whatsoever. I don't believe you seriously mean it.

I absolutely do.

Do you leave your doors open all the time, allowing strangers through your abode to perhaps help themselves to a drink or use your toilet? Some degree of personal privacy is necessary for most people to feel safe. There aren't many cultures that do have completely open living arrangements, and those that do tend to be small tribal affairs where people generally know each other.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by tripzilch »

stfu wrote: post #82
john_flintstone wrote: post #78

Questions for people with nothing to hide: 1. Have you ever had an abortion? 2. Have you ever cheated on your husband / wife? 3. Are you currently looking for a new job? 4. Have you ever being diagnosed with a mental illness? 5. Are you currently on anti-depressants? 6. Were you ever sexually abused as a child? 7. Have you ever fancied someone of the same sex? 8. Have you ever had sex with someone of the same sex? 9.…

Apparently those people in the twitter feed are fine with getting registered and living under high transparency. My suggestion would be a crowd funded campaign to doxx each one of them. Would be happy to donate a few hours of my time tracing their real names. With some funded capital we could buy and publish for each one a personal background check sort of a personal gift to free them from the burden of anonymity.

DOXX THEM IN THE NAME OF PRIVACY!

:-/

congratulations, you just stooped to the very same level of counter-productive-intelligence as those who are orchestrating the transparent monitoring of our society.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by tomarr »

rrrrtttt wrote: post #68
ck2 wrote: post #39

Think about how the NSA helped stop all the killings and maimings at the boston bombing. Oh wait, they didn't - from two super stupid criminals not even trying to hide what they were planning. So WTF good are they doing for all the damage they've done to our society. NSA has become just like the TSA, completely useless theater that hassles everyone and accomplishes nothing. Just wait until they can park hundreds of d…

The Financial Times has called this the data intelligence complex, by analogy with the military-industrial complex. It's a government--private sector alliance that's spending $80bn yearly on spying on citizens with questionable returns. Can you imagine "how many jobs would be destroyed" if this were to stop?

We shouldn't forget how much $80 billion actually is.

For that amount, they should be saving in the order of 40,000 people's lives from terrorism a year to justify the spending.

(I've plucked the intervention per life-year saved from here: http://www.econ.ucsb.edu/~tedb/Courses/UCSBpf/readings/inter...

and assumed each life-save has 50 potential years of their life left)

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