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Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by EliRivers »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #19
denzil_correa wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The freedom of choice is a very important factor in democracy.

When you walk in the street, do you choose whether I see your or not? Why shouldn't consent be necessary in that case, but should be in others? EDIT: Who sets the limit between what is implicitly private and public? Let's say I made the decision to add thermal vision to my left eye, and happen to see what you do inside your house. Am I hurting your privacy?

Yes, I can choose that. I can wear a mask. I can walk around in public and nobody has any idea who I am.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by ck2 »

asperous wrote: post #48
ck2 wrote: post #39

Think about how the NSA helped stop all the killings and maimings at the boston bombing. Oh wait, they didn't - from two super stupid criminals not even trying to hide what they were planning. So WTF good are they doing for all the damage they've done to our society. NSA has become just like the TSA, completely useless theater that hassles everyone and accomplishes nothing. Just wait until they can park hundreds of d…

Apparently they stopped some other bombing (though it's pretty hard to convict a criminal guilty purely on intent). I think it just comes down to the trade off of freedom vs. loss of life. I mean that's what it's really about, isn't it? We are giving up the freedom of privacy for the potential of more security? Yet, This is not the American Way At one point we realized that in order to protect the freedoms of our peo…

The last bombing that was announced that they stopped, it was the FBI spoon-feeding all the ideas and materials to the "would be terrorists" and nagging them to death until they started to put a plan together.

So I'll believe that they stopped something when they produce the details for the press to investigate.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by greyman »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #12
AndyKelley wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Can you repeat that, but explain it more clearly?

Privacy has no intrinsic value whatsoever. All it does is slow down those who can use information against people. To win, we must fight the threat (government). Privacy only gives us time, which itself won't solve anything.

> Privacy has no intrinsic value whatsoever.

I don't believe you seriously mean it.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by dylangs1030 »

Zirro wrote: post #44
dylangs1030 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This Twitter account is ironic. They're not actually siding with the NSA. Look at the website listed in the bio[1]. http://danielsieradski.com/nothing-to-hide/14572

I'm quite sure OP was addressing the people whose tweets were featured on that account, and not the owner of the account itself.

The fact that he retweeted them somewhat implies that they, too, were being ironic.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by dasil003 »

VexXtreme wrote: post #10
miguelrochefort wrote: post #4

Privacy is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more resources we waste fighting for it, the bigger the real problem (which exploits the lack of privacy) will grow. The problem is not publicity. It's the government.

It's pretty evident that people get the exact kind of government they want and deserve. I feel no sympathy for anyone in this whole fiasco.

Not even for RMS?

I'm sorry but you can't blame the people for overreach of government powers ex post facto. It's not like people are perfectly informed of everything or that they deserve everything they get because they were at one point manipulated by propaganda. The fact is that it's a constant battle against the ambitious and power-hungry people that drive governments towards totalitarianism. To smugly throw up your arms and say it's the people's fault is to give a free pass the actual evildoers—the actual people who are sitting in backrooms selling out our freedom and liberty in order to get more control and leverage for who knows what purposes. Maybe some of them are actually well-intentioned (certainly many of the people they manipulate are), but those people are fools, utter fools who should pick up a history book.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by rmc »

ck2 wrote: post #39

Think about how the NSA helped stop all the killings and maimings at the boston bombing. Oh wait, they didn't - from two super stupid criminals not even trying to hide what they were planning. So WTF good are they doing for all the damage they've done to our society. NSA has become just like the TSA, completely useless theater that hassles everyone and accomplishes nothing. Just wait until they can park hundreds of d…

Select bias. You don't know what they did stop.
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