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Re: People with nothing to hide

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You don't seem to understand how this works. If you ask a nudist to get naked in a non-nudist environment, he's probably going to refuse. The same rules don't apply to every context. The world post-privacy is going to be totally different from the one we currently live in.

It would be the same as post-gun world. The ones who would retain privacy would rule the world.

No one stops you from getting information about them. I mean, beside all the pro-privacy drama kids in this circlejerk.

Re: People with nothing to hide

#23
What is seldom mentioned is how information is processed and stored. Innocent personal data can be combined to create a false image of someone, which can then be used against them. You might find yourself, for example, on a no-fly because you bought a book about making bombs. The fact that you are working on your latest best-selling novel was ignored.

Re: People with nothing to hide

#24
Since this isn't immediately clear to commenters - this is designed to be ironic. I don't know if all the people volunteering tweets know that, but it's clearly described in the website linked on this Twitter account[1].

I highly recommend you go there for further reading, it presents a lot of useful data about the FBI and the United States' breach of privacy and constitutional rights recently and historically.

The author is trying to send a message ironically and rally people against the NSA's abuses and the corollary fallacy of "If you have nothing to hide, why do you care?" which has also been debunked by Bruce Schneier[2].

Just wanted to put that out there.

[1]: http://danielsieradski.com/nothing-to-hide/14572

[2]: https://www.schneier.com/essay-114.html

Re: People with nothing to hide

#25

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Exactly. The freedom of choice is a very important factor in democracy.

When you walk in the street, do you choose whether I see your or not? Why shouldn't consent be necessary in that case, but should be in others? EDIT: Who sets the limit between what is implicitly private and public? Let's say I made the decision to add thermal vision to my left eye, and happen to see what you do inside your house. Am I hurting your privacy?

Public/private situation, obviously. When I'm making a phone call from my home (or business!) to another persons' phone, I'm not in the public.

Re: People with nothing to hide

#27

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What? Can you repeat that, but explain it more clearly?

Privacy has no intrinsic value whatsoever. All it does is slow down those who can use information against people. To win, we must fight the threat (government). Privacy only gives us time, which itself won't solve anything.

> To win, we must fight the threat (government).

Yes, because governments are the only entities that want your private data.

Re: People with nothing to hide

#29
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Since you all have nothing to hide, please post the following: Name Address Phone # date of birth SS # credit card numbers+ expr dates+cvv Routing and account numbers for relevant bank accounts Logins/passwords to commonly used services Your security question/answer combos Pictures of all your keys on your keychain Well, unless, you're a terrorist and don't want to volunteer this info.

Don't forget nude pics and a list of fetishes and people you've slept with!

Re: People with nothing to hide

#30
Assume someone at the NSA has access to the data. Assume they have money problems or drugs or gambling. Assume a criminal or terrorist organization has money to buy access. Assume you're screwed.
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