I also have no problem with those people willingly sending anyone any of their personal information. The problem is when people aren't given a choice whether their personal information is kept secret.
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#12Privacy is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more resources we waste fighting for it, the bigger the real problem (which exploits the lack of privacy) will grow. The problem is not publicity. It's the government.
What? Can you repeat that, but explain it more clearly?
Privacy has no intrinsic value whatsoever. All it does is slow down those who can use information against people. To win, we must fight the threat (government). Privacy only gives us time, which itself won't solve anything.
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#13The background they chose is nice.
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#14I also have no problem with those people willingly sending anyone any of their personal information. The problem is when people aren't given a choice whether their personal information is kept secret.
Exactly. The freedom of choice is a very important factor in democracy.
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#15Since you all have nothing to hide, please post the following: Name Address Phone # date of birth SS # credit card numbers+ expr dates+cvv Routing and account numbers for relevant bank accounts Logins/passwords to commonly used services Your security question/answer combos Pictures of all your keys on your keychain Well, unless, you're a terrorist and don't want to volunteer this info.
You don't seem to understand how this works. If you ask a nudist to get naked in a non-nudist environment, he's probably going to refuse. The same rules don't apply to every context. The world post-privacy is going to be totally different from the one we currently live in.
It would be the same as post-gun world. The ones who would retain privacy would rule the world.
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#16Privacy is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more resources we waste fighting for it, the bigger the real problem (which exploits the lack of privacy) will grow. The problem is not publicity. It's the government.
It's pretty evident that people get the exact kind of government they want and deserve. I feel no sympathy for anyone in this whole fiasco.
All of this was totally expected. I fail to understand all the drama surrounding it. Just acknowledge reality and kill the monster before it's too late.
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#17Privacy is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more resources we waste fighting for it, the bigger the real problem (which exploits the lack of privacy) will grow. The problem is not publicity. It's the government.
It's pretty evident that people get the exact kind of government they want and deserve. I feel no sympathy for anyone in this whole fiasco.
I often share that opinion, at least with regard to politics. But the problem with the privacy is that this is happening on the global stage. I'm not an American, but I do care about this. It's affecting everybody.
If I'd be pessimistic (and I am...) I'd say this is just a step in slow process that will have some drastic consequences for the freedom in the whole world.
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#19I also have no problem with those people willingly sending anyone any of their personal information. The problem is when people aren't given a choice whether their personal information is kept secret.
Exactly. The freedom of choice is a very important factor in democracy.
When you walk in the street, do you choose whether I see your or not? Why shouldn't consent be necessary in that case, but should be in others?
EDIT: Who sets the limit between what is implicitly private and public? Let's say I made the decision to add thermal vision to my left eye, and happen to see what you do inside your house. Am I hurting your privacy?
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#20Since you all have nothing to hide, please post the following: Name Address Phone # date of birth SS # credit card numbers+ expr dates+cvv Routing and account numbers for relevant bank accounts Logins/passwords to commonly used services Your security question/answer combos Pictures of all your keys on your keychain Well, unless, you're a terrorist and don't want to volunteer this info.
Don't forget corporate secrets.
What are your profit margins? What is the maximum/minimum you're willing to pay for all of your current negotiations? What is the design/strategy for your latest products? What is your exact security plan + policy? Who are your best employees, and how much should they really be getting paid?
We probably won't share it with your competitors, promise, probably even if you're a foreign company, but regardless you won't know either way