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Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by philwelch »

joonix wrote: post #231
arange wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or all these companies are intentionally making similar press releases in hopes people will catch on that theyre being coerced into denying involvement. this way they're (assuming they have one) fulfilling their denial obligation with the NSA, yet still are protesting what they dont actually want to be doing

So imagine Larry Page or Mark Zuckerberg comes out and admits it. Do you think they end up in federal prison?

Why make it above the table like that? The NSA has all the data they need to blackmail and intimidate these people at the very least.

I wonder what Sergey thinks of all this.

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Post by coldtea »

rustydoorknobs wrote: post #265
louthy wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you think it matters, I'm afraid, you give the American public too much credit. Not just the American public. This is blanket spying on the people of the world. Now that might sound less problematic for Americans who want to see those pesky terrorists brought to justice, but it also allows the NSA to build up profiles on everyone. US border security is already a nightmare, god knows what they can do with this ki…

Give me a break. Every other country is spying on every other country. Nobody gives a shit if your torrented a movie.

Actually, no, "every other country is" NOT "spying on every other country".

You think Belgium or France or Poland spies on US citizens phone-calls and Google/FB? Inside the US?

As for "Nobody gives a shit if your torrented a movie", first, we're not talking about Joe Average, that downloads GoT in rural Idaho. We're talking about people that matter to society: writers, investigative journalists, dissidents, hackers, activists, etc. They cared very much what A. Swartz did, for example.

Second, even normal people, downloading a "torrented movie" have been hit with huge fines by RIAA.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by coldtea »

_pmf_ wrote: post #279
beedogs wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even though this is an actual conspiracy between the government and several large Internet companies?

> Even though this is an actual conspiracy between the government and several large Internet companies? If it's a conspiracy, what's the common goal? There's nothing in in for the companies involved. You might just as well say rape is a conspiracy between the rapist and the victim.

>If it's a conspiracy, what's the common goal?

A conspiracy doesn't have to have a common goal between all parties. What kind of bizarro logic did you use to reach that conclusion? People and companies can conspire with others against their will, you know. E.g I blackmail you in order to conspire with me to steal valuable data from your employeer, etc.

The goals are set by the NSA, and the tech companies could not care less about them. The agree to conspire (ie. help the NSA) though, because there would be other consequences if they did not. From prosecution from the government, to under the table blackmail, etc.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by coldtea »

wheels wrote: post #190
dkulchenko wrote: post #23

Look at the two writeups (Zuckerberg's and Page's) side by side. Each has 4 paragraphs. Each of the pairs of paragraphs addresses the same thing. 1st paragraph: we wanted to respond to these claims. 2nd paragraph: never heard of PRISM, don't give direct access. 3rd paragraph: each request goes through legal channels. 4th paragraph: encourage governments to be more transparent. Terrifying. EDIT: It gets worse. Here's…

Wouldn't Occam's Razor instead suggest that since the Page statement was much earlier that Zuckerberg or whoever wrote this (probably not Mark) just copied the style of Page's statement semi-intentionally? They'd have almost certainly have read it.

>Wouldn't Occam's Razor instead suggest that since the Page statement was much earlier that Zuckerberg or whoever wrote this (probably not Mark) just copied the style of Page's statement semi-intentionally? They'd have almost certainly have read it.

No, that's not Occam's Razor. That's "naive believer in government that's willing to ignore all the facts Razor".

Occam's Razor tells us that when some companies participate in a covert secret services program which is brought to light, then the secret services coordinate damage control and tell them what they are allowed to say to the press and what not.

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Post by suredo »

dkulchenko wrote: post #23

Look at the two writeups (Zuckerberg's and Page's) side by side. Each has 4 paragraphs. Each of the pairs of paragraphs addresses the same thing. 1st paragraph: we wanted to respond to these claims. 2nd paragraph: never heard of PRISM, don't give direct access. 3rd paragraph: each request goes through legal channels. 4th paragraph: encourage governments to be more transparent. Terrifying. EDIT: It gets worse. Here's…

but they are not lying because according to terms of service, you licensed your content to them..... so they are not sharing your content.... they are sharing their content

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by washedup »

dkulchenko wrote: post #23

Look at the two writeups (Zuckerberg's and Page's) side by side. Each has 4 paragraphs. Each of the pairs of paragraphs addresses the same thing. 1st paragraph: we wanted to respond to these claims. 2nd paragraph: never heard of PRISM, don't give direct access. 3rd paragraph: each request goes through legal channels. 4th paragraph: encourage governments to be more transparent. Terrifying. EDIT: It gets worse. Here's…

I bet the White House wrote up a response for all companies to follow in light of the NSA leak.
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