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Re: Eric Schmidt: CNET gets it right on the NSA/Google issue

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Post by rasterizer »

eksith wrote: post #9
rasterizer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Chief Legal Officer: "the government does not have access to Google servers—not directly, or via a back door, or a so-called drop box" https://plus.google.com/+google/posts/TMh6gUVrwMq

Yes, I read your previous excerpt and I've read this very post here before. Repeating it over and over (this is your 3rd post so far posting this link) doesn't make me believe it any more strongly.

Yet you keep hanging on that they only mention "direct access" and how the denials are similar, it's not about what you believe to be true or not, it's about the things you say that aren't true - here is an example of a denial that does not only include "direct access" but all sorts of access as well.

Re: Eric Schmidt: CNET gets it right on the NSA/Google issue

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Post by lazyjones »

Eric Schmidt would be the last person I'd believe on matters related to privacy.

He's well-known for basically claiming that we're not entitled to any privacy ("if you don't want anyone to know blah blah ... ") and for later being a vindictive fool when CNET published some of his personal details found through Google.

Besides, he's not even CEO anymore, why would he know anything about highly confidential dealings with the NSA?

Re: Eric Schmidt: CNET gets it right on the NSA/Google issue

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Post by nappshack »

jjguy wrote: post #3

The referenced story: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57588337-38/no-evidence-of... ; declan submitted his story https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5844091 but it languished. It's a shame, because it's the first responsible piece of reporting I've seen on this mess. The media has been trolled by a Powerpoint brief from self-important USG bureaucrats.

I could not agree with your "responsible reporting" remark any more. Quite frankly, I'm disappointed with the majority of those other articles making it to the front page of HN.

Re: Eric Schmidt: CNET gets it right on the NSA/Google issue

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Post by stanleydrew »

eksith wrote: post #9
rasterizer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Chief Legal Officer: "the government does not have access to Google servers—not directly, or via a back door, or a so-called drop box" https://plus.google.com/+google/posts/TMh6gUVrwMq

Yes, I read your previous excerpt and I've read this very post here before. Repeating it over and over (this is your 3rd post so far posting this link) doesn't make me believe it any more strongly.

The point of posting it multiple times is to make an attempt at unwinding some of the damage done by countless misreports.

Re: Eric Schmidt: CNET gets it right on the NSA/Google issue

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Post by mtgx »

jjguy wrote: post #3

The referenced story: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57588337-38/no-evidence-of... ; declan submitted his story https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5844091 but it languished. It's a shame, because it's the first responsible piece of reporting I've seen on this mess. The media has been trolled by a Powerpoint brief from self-important USG bureaucrats.

That's what the leak said [1]. Are they not supposed to report it? I'd rather they did, made a big wave about it, and then we can find out if it's really true, or the slide is fabricated or whatever (seems unlikely).

[1] http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/20...

Re: Eric Schmidt: CNET gets it right on the NSA/Google issue

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Post by eksith »

rasterizer wrote: post #11
eksith wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I read your previous excerpt and I've read this very post here before. Repeating it over and over (this is your 3rd post so far posting this link) doesn't make me believe it any more strongly.

Yet you keep hanging on that they only mention "direct access" and how the denials are similar, it's not about what you believe to be true or not, it's about the things you say that aren't true - here is an example of a denial that does not only include "direct access" but all sorts of access as well.

I don't want to start a flame war with you, but in lieu of repeating what others have already said to you regarding the "direct access" quote (I'm not "hanging on" btw, I have read the other reports as well), I'll just leave this here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5836420

Re: Eric Schmidt: CNET gets it right on the NSA/Google issue

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Post by steve19 »

rasterizer wrote: post #6
eksith wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but it's still using the term "direct access", which we've seen is the antithesis of forthrightness. Surveillance is tricky business and technology makes the boundaries of what's acceptable to reveal even trickier. It's true that the muddling of the Verizon/AT&T stories is being interwoven with this, which may not have helped. And the scope of the information requested falls well within acceptable procedure for…

Google Chief Legal Officer: "the government does not have access to Google servers—not directly, or via a back door, or a so-called drop box" https://plus.google.com/+google/posts/TMh6gUVrwMq

Nobody said they have access to Google servers. We are worried about what data google to sending them (by whatever means).
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