“The government does not have access to Google servers” • Hacker News Board

Re: “The government does not have access to Google servers”

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Post by dragonwriter » Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 4:19 PM UTC

aniket_ray wrote: post #60

waterlesscloud wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This denial says "or a so-called drop box", which puts it in direct contradiction to what government officials have told the press. Which, unfortunately, puts the rest of the denial into question for me as well.

Disclaimer: I'm an engineer on the Google+ backend infrastructure team. I am not a US citizen. I've been an HNer longer than I've been at Google. These accusations are seriously getting out of hand. This is also seriously getting so illogical that I've considered whether it's even worth posting a response. Is accusing someone with a badly created powerpoint presentation now enough for such a massive storm? Yesterday,…

> Yesterday, Larry gave a thorough point to point denial to the Washington Post article. Conspiracy theorists@HN moved the goalpost and started talking about how if Google isn't doing X they must be providing data to NSA servers. Now that David Drummond has come out and denied that Google's not doing Y, some HNers start complaining that he's lying even though there's no evidence to the contrary.

The documents provided with the Washington Post and Guardian articles are not no evidence.

Re: “The government does not have access to Google servers”

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Post by aniket_ray » Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 5:05 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #61

aniket_ray wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I'm an engineer on the Google+ backend infrastructure team. I am not a US citizen. I've been an HNer longer than I've been at Google. These accusations are seriously getting out of hand. This is also seriously getting so illogical that I've considered whether it's even worth posting a response. Is accusing someone with a badly created powerpoint presentation now enough for such a massive storm? Yesterday,…

> Yesterday, Larry gave a thorough point to point denial to the Washington Post article. Conspiracy theorists@HN moved the goalpost and started talking about how if Google isn't doing X they must be providing data to NSA servers. Now that David Drummond has come out and denied that Google's not doing Y, some HNers start complaining that he's lying even though there's no evidence to the contrary. The documents provide…

I'm sorry but if that's what you're getting from my post then I cannot help you.

And yes if you examine the documents as much as my post you'd have seen that they are indeed based on little to no evidence.

By the way have you called your local rep yet?

Re: “The government does not have access to Google servers”

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Post by gasull » Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 5:42 PM UTC

smtddr wrote: post #29

fianchetto wrote: post #27

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> If you're going to say your data not safe in Google's hands, then your data just isn't safe on the internet which I think is a needlessly extreme position to take. Google isn't the internet. Dump gmail, FB and other spy holes. Use public key crypto. Take your own network back. Or continue on as usual. Our choice.

So basically communicating online only with people that will use pubkey-crypto? I think that's a needless extreme. Also, what happens when everyone does that and the government makes crypto illegal? You're back to the original problem, the abusive government. That being said, I did just suggest encryption in an earlier post today... but that was before I started getting the feeling this problem goes deeper into the g…

The problem with PGP is that friction is in every message you send. For every email you have to make the decision about encrypting the message and entering your passphrase. It's a hassle.

The reason I recommend Bitmessage is because after overcoming the friction of installing it, it's frictionless. You don't have to remember passphrases or anything. It also has advantages over PGP-encrypted email like deniability, built-in spam minimization, broadcast messages (like Twitter), chan boards, etc.

Re: “The government does not have access to Google servers”

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Post by invisible » Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 9:48 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #30

invisible wrote: post #20

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Except that he straight out said that they have received no bulk requests at all? Seriously...

Are you qualifying a real time feed as a bulk request?

I'd consider "give us every piece of data you ever get" a bulk/blanket request - yep.