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Re: Data intelligence complex is the real story

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Post by pfortuny »

jmduke wrote: post #18
pfortuny wrote: post #5

This is exactly what terrorists want: the impact of a terrorist act is, in the end, measured in money much more than in lives. They are not going to kill that many people in the end, what they want is to make people afraid and pervert all the freedom in a country. Because what they hate is our freedom, do not forget it. EDIT: BTW, being wrong (if I am) is a cause for downvotes? Grow up, you people.

The terrorists do not want to see the U.S. turn into a police state. The terrorists do not hate our freedoms. The terrorists -- and specifically I'm talking about al-Qaeda and related groups -- want "atrocities against Muslims" to end, they want support for Israel to end, they want U.S. presence in the Middle East to end.[1] Terror sects aren't B-movie villains. [1]: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/military/july-…

I probably explained myself badly.

What they want is to terrorize. Their success is measured in money.

Any economist will just point out that money is how most things are measured as regards human relations in a normal society.

Re: Data intelligence complex is the real story

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Post by hga »

corresation wrote: post #29
hga wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A counterargument is that they have a registration wall that allows you to read a certain number of articles per month (currently 8 according to carbocation in another subthread of this thread). I find their content to be of sufficiently high quality I had no qualms about doing that some time ago.

Perhaps, though as a general rule HN bars any content that sits behind a login/registration, whether it's Facebook, Quora, etc.

It's not a written rule, at least not in http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

I do agree it's a good guideline, then again the above says if such an article is the original source, it should be directly linked to....

Re: Data intelligence complex is the real story

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Post by danielharan »

pfortuny wrote: post #31
jmduke wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The terrorists do not want to see the U.S. turn into a police state. The terrorists do not hate our freedoms. The terrorists -- and specifically I'm talking about al-Qaeda and related groups -- want "atrocities against Muslims" to end, they want support for Israel to end, they want U.S. presence in the Middle East to end.[1] Terror sects aren't B-movie villains. [1]: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/military/july-…

I probably explained myself badly. What they want is to terrorize. Their success is measured in money. Any economist will just point out that money is how most things are measured as regards human relations in a normal society.

No, their success is measured in how well they achieve their goals such as ridding an invader from land they consider sacred.

You know why they're pissed off, right?

Knowing our enemy is rather essential if we want to stop this war one day.

Re: Data intelligence complex is the real story

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Post by cobrabyte »

cstross wrote: post #34
jrokisky wrote: post #14

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

NASA = National Aeronautics and Space Administration. NSA = National Security Agency.

Pretty sure they were trying to demonstrate that we could have continued to fund NASA at a full burn rate for a few years with these funds.

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Post by Herring »

hga wrote: post #19

This article by Walter Russell Mead says a massive intelligence effort is an necessary corollary of Obama's position that the Global War on Terror is over, that we can return to a 9/10 mindset: http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/06/06/public... : Key bits: " From the day he took office, President Obama has sought to defuse the war and decrease public concern about it.... "It is in many ways an excellent…

Yeah, and before that was communists. I wonder what's next.

Re: Data intelligence complex is the real story

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Post by newnewnew »

Herring wrote: post #37
hga wrote: post #19

This article by Walter Russell Mead says a massive intelligence effort is an necessary corollary of Obama's position that the Global War on Terror is over, that we can return to a 9/10 mindset: http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/06/06/public... : Key bits: " From the day he took office, President Obama has sought to defuse the war and decrease public concern about it.... "It is in many ways an excellent…

Yeah, and before that was communists. I wonder what's next.

I'm curious what you believe about the Boston bombing and 9/11. Do you think the threat of Islamic terrorism is fabricated?

I'm also curious what you think about American communism. American communists were instrumental in getting the Soviet Union the Bomb, thereby bring the world to the brink of destruction. They also leaked information from the top levels of government during WWII, helping to deliver millions to the rule of Soviet tyranny. The domestic communist threat was very real. Sorry to quote myself, but: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5843702

Re: Data intelligence complex is the real story

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Post by film42 »

You have to admit, the US is doing a pretty good job with that $80 billion/yr.

I mean, what's the alternative? Spend $0 on secret data intelligence gathering? Of course not! I for one am happy to know that there are people on my side, looking for people who are not.

Furthermore, I can't seem to understand why people are so up-in-arms over US data gathering. I for one, have nothing to hide. Every crime I've committed online is so small, the NSA simply doesn't care. Obama said in his latest press conference, "We collect the meta data, not the data. We can see who is calling who, and if we need to listen to that call, we need to go before a judge."

I, a person of the people, am fine with the government spending this kind of money on secret data intelligence, because it keeps me safer. Period.

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