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Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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Re: Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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Post by codezero »

sillysaurus wrote: post #25
codezero wrote: post #9

I imagine that he faces charges, not specifically for crimes committed to out the rapists, but possibly for a number of other illegal activities related to hacking. That one of his deeds ended up resulting in outing bad people, does not mean that he is always so conscious or on the side of good.

Unless more information comes to light, you're just slandering the guy. The assumption at this point is that he was arrested at multiple M16 assault rifle gunpoints because of his involvement in hacking into Jim Parks's fansite. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/inside-anony... ;

It's not slander to assume that the law enforcement agency that raided him was acting on credible intelligence of illegal activity. They may be wrong, but I don't see how this is slander. I've made no specific accusations and if you are saying he's implicated in hacking a web site (the link you provided is dead) then that seems to corroborate my assumption.

Re: Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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Post by pfortuny »

You know: the rule of law is more important than a lot of things (especially if these are done by minors). I have not understood what the 'hacker' did but IF it were trying to overstep due process, I would understand a very painful sentence.

The constitution is all about that: freedom and how the State handles the issues. Due process cannot be subverted without punishment even though doing so may have 'good consequences': the classical problem of the ends and the means.

Re: Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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Post by winter_blue »

tomjen3 wrote: post #59
danso wrote: post #8

OK, this sounds pedantic, but "Convicted for Longer"* is not accurate...you're not convicted for a period of time, you're convicted and then sentenced to a period of jail time, or probation. And of course, as we all know from the Aaron Swartz coverage, " could serve for as long as..." is different than " actually serve a sentence of [xy] ears". But the most relevant quibble is this: a father who beats these rapists w…

Not only is it pedantic, you are a terrible human for wanting to lock a father who beats up a rapist for longer than the rapist. These men were old enough to rape, they should be old enough to do the time and if your excuse was that they were juveniles, then just remember that they could (and should have been) charged as adults. Alas the bastards weren't, but that is prosecutal misconduct, not justice.

I don't think danso was necessarily agreeing with that sentiment — he was just pointing out that the current reality of the justice system would result in such sentencing.

Re: Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists

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Post by mrmekon »

_bfhp wrote: post #57
sliverstorm wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't omit the word as part of some pro-rape agenda I'm not sure it's worth your time to contend this. The debate surrounding rape is very if-you-arent-with-us-youre-against-us, so too often it seems it's already a lost battle.

What debate is "surrounding rape" exactly? Are you referring to a debate as to whether rape is ethically permissible or not? If so, where do you hang out?

https://www.google.com/search?q=rape+culture

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Post by brazzy »

_bfhp wrote: post #57
sliverstorm wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't omit the word as part of some pro-rape agenda I'm not sure it's worth your time to contend this. The debate surrounding rape is very if-you-arent-with-us-youre-against-us, so too often it seems it's already a lost battle.

What debate is "surrounding rape" exactly? Are you referring to a debate as to whether rape is ethically permissible or not? If so, where do you hang out?

You're a perfect example for his point.

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Post by nasmorn »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #36
pyre wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pick your explanation: * They need to justify all of their equipment and training so they make copious use of it. * They don't know if the person is armed or not, so better safe than sorry when it comes to the lives of agents. * "It's just standard procedure." ... etc

>They don't know if the person is armed or not, so better safe than sorry when it comes to the lives of agents. I wonder if there are any actual statistics on this. We always hear the arguments about the number of accidental firearms deaths in favor of gun control, is there any reason to suspect the situation to be orders of magnitude different with a group of cowboy cops? If anything it could be worse in a group, be…

It is well documented that deaths increase with more forceful arrests. Interestingly not only among arrestees and innocent bystanders but the police as well.

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Post by cLeEOGPw »

It is actually very logical that hackers are sentenced for much higher than violent criminals, because a hacker is a potential threat to the government stability (in case he exposes secret data about the activities of the government), while all violent criminal does is damages one or few people property and/or health. In the sense of computer system, a violent criminal is some incorrect input, while a hacker is a bug in the system.

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Post by arrrg »

_bfhp wrote: post #57
sliverstorm wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't omit the word as part of some pro-rape agenda I'm not sure it's worth your time to contend this. The debate surrounding rape is very if-you-arent-with-us-youre-against-us, so too often it seems it's already a lost battle.

What debate is "surrounding rape" exactly? Are you referring to a debate as to whether rape is ethically permissible or not? If so, where do you hang out?

In Steubenville, for example, and pretty much anywhere else. Oh, they will not tell you that rape is ethically ok – but they will tell you that something that is rape was nothing of the kind, that she/he asked for it or deserved it or has only herself/himself to blame.

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Post by 6d0debc071 »

danso wrote: post #8

OK, this sounds pedantic, but "Convicted for Longer"* is not accurate...you're not convicted for a period of time, you're convicted and then sentenced to a period of jail time, or probation. And of course, as we all know from the Aaron Swartz coverage, " could serve for as long as..." is different than " actually serve a sentence of [xy] ears". But the most relevant quibble is this: a father who beats these rapists w…

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> But the most relevant quibble is this: a father who beats these rapists with his fists would also face a longer sentence than these accused rapists (who, according to the OP, faced 1-2 years)...because these convicted offenders were juveniles.* *

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These offenders were teenagers. They are not five years old, they know - at least in general terms - what's right and wrong, and they know what will hurt someone. And they did it anyway.

Charging someone as a juvenile ought to be for kiddy-screwup fist fights and stupid kid mistakes, so that some momentary lack of judgement doesn't screw someone's life up, not for raping someone - that's not a momentary mistake.

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And as much as we want to celebrate extra-judicial vengenance upon convicts, juvenile or not, I think we should be aware that there may be unpleasant consequences when our justice/political system looks the other way upon unlawful actions in which "the ends justified the means".

...because, I mean, isn't that at the core of the NSA controversy that is currently raging in the the other 20 HN threads?

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Not from my point of view, no. The law is going to be selectively enforced - there's nothing you can do about it. And the law is so ridiculously messed up that total enforcement isn't even something desirable. The average person commits, I believe it's 3, felonies a day. The US gov can't even count all the laws anymore. We're all guilty.

That's why you need a system that lets people adjust the application of law for common decency. That's why you need a jury of your peers with the ability to refuse to convict. (Granted, a legal theory that seems relatively unknown these days.)

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Post by jessedhillon »

_bfhp wrote: post #57
sliverstorm wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't omit the word as part of some pro-rape agenda I'm not sure it's worth your time to contend this. The debate surrounding rape is very if-you-arent-with-us-youre-against-us, so too often it seems it's already a lost battle.

What debate is "surrounding rape" exactly? Are you referring to a debate as to whether rape is ethically permissible or not? If so, where do you hang out?

There is a sizeable group of men on the Internet who don't get it, and are very vociferous about it. Cf, "Men's Rights"
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