Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM • Hacker News Board

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by btilly » Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 10:09 PM UTC

WestCoastJustin wrote: post #2

I would like to believe these reports from Google [1] and Facebook [2], but someone is not telling the truth. There is evidence that directly contradicts their stories (i.e. The Guardian has verified the authenticity of the document, a 41-slide PowerPoint presentation – classified as top secret with no distribution to foreign allies – which was apparently used to train intelligence operatives on the capabilities of t…

There is no contradiction if you accept the suggestion from http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001431.html that the NSA got access to this information by planting moles at target companies who then created back doors for the NSA to use.

This would be reasonably easy for the NSA to do, relatively hard for companies to catch, and perfectly explains all published facts.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by EGreg » Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 10:09 PM UTC

jarcoal wrote: post #16

These comments read just like the ones on the Larry Page thread! It's almost like someone is telling HN readers what to say...

There is a comment just like yours on the other page. Who are you? :P

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by rglover » Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 10:09 PM UTC

This is a gun in the back response. Am I really supposed to believe the guy with an open index of almost every American hasn't in some way folded to the government. Ever?

Sorry, Z.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by jhandl » Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 10:10 PM UTC

kjackson2012 wrote: post #11

It's so creepy how Zuckerberg and Page, as well as every other CEO's responses are worded exactly the same. The same goes for Apple too. It's entirely not believable that everyone's answers would sound so similar.

I can't help but think that they agreed to word this so similarly as a way to hint that the words have been put in their mouths. It's like what somebody that's being held hostage would do to make you understand that they can't talk freely.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by anthonycerra » Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 10:10 PM UTC

cjensen wrote: post #37

dkulchenko wrote: post #23

Look at the two writeups (Zuckerberg's and Page's) side by side. Each has 4 paragraphs. Each of the pairs of paragraphs addresses the same thing. 1st paragraph: we wanted to respond to these claims. 2nd paragraph: never heard of PRISM, don't give direct access. 3rd paragraph: each request goes through legal channels. 4th paragraph: encourage governments to be more transparent. Terrifying. EDIT: It gets worse. Here's…

Could Zuckerberg's statement have been "inspired" by Google's? Did any other companies release similar statements?

In college, after we'd submit a programming assignment, our code was run through a program to test for plagiarism of another student's code. Can we run the same analysis on these announcements?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by harold » Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 10:10 PM UTC

dkulchenko wrote: post #23

Look at the two writeups (Zuckerberg's and Page's) side by side. Each has 4 paragraphs. Each of the pairs of paragraphs addresses the same thing. 1st paragraph: we wanted to respond to these claims. 2nd paragraph: never heard of PRISM, don't give direct access. 3rd paragraph: each request goes through legal channels. 4th paragraph: encourage governments to be more transparent. Terrifying. EDIT: It gets worse. Here's…

I'd be curious to know if either Page or Zuckerberg met with Obama while he was in SV last night.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by onedev » Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 10:10 PM UTC

rhizome wrote: post #18

weakwire wrote: post #6

ok now... how Twitter's CEO will respond with 140 chars?

"Direct access 2 r servers: nope #prism #nsa"

hahahah perfect

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by jlgreco » Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 10:10 PM UTC

taylorbuley wrote: post #7

Note how similarly worded this response is to that posted by Larry Page: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/what.html The cynic in me wants to believe the coincidence is because Facebook has equally good lawyers as Google.

> The cynic in me wants to believe the coincidence is because Facebook has equally good lawyers as Google.

The more cynical me wants to believe that Google has good lawyers and Facebook's lawyers, although perhaps as good, find it easier to plagiarize. :P

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by pitchups » Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 10:11 PM UTC

It is remarkable how similar the two statements from Larry Page (LP) and Mark Zuckerberg (MZ) are below. The same responses worded slightly differently, and expressed in the same order:

LP: "...we have not joined any program that would give the U.S. government—or any other government—direct access to our servers."

MZ: "..Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the US or any other government direct access to our servers."

LP: "... we provide user data to governments only in accordance with the law."

MZ: "we... always follow the correct processes and all applicable laws."

LP: "...we have long believed—there needs to be a more transparent approach."

MZ: "We strongly encourage all governments to be much more transparent..."

It almost looks like they are reading from a template or script!

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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Post by Achshar » Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 10:12 PM UTC

camus wrote: post #35

asperous wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't all Twitter data public? They don't need to deny anything

well , twitter doesnt publish your IP,your email or your social security number everytime you tweet ... so no , all its data is not public.

How would twitter have it's user's SSN?