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Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

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I would like to believe these reports from Google [1] and Facebook [2], but someone is not telling the truth. There is evidence that directly contradicts their stories (i.e. The Guardian has verified the authenticity of the document, a 41-slide PowerPoint presentation – classified as top secret with no distribution to foreign allies – which was apparently used to train intelligence operatives on the capabilities of t…

And Obama came out to defend the program without saying that the companies were not involved (he did not say they were involved either) His press conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iS6MO...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

#23
Look at the two writeups (Zuckerberg's and Page's) side by side. Each has 4 paragraphs. Each of the pairs of paragraphs addresses the same thing.

1st paragraph: we wanted to respond to these claims. 2nd paragraph: never heard of PRISM, don't give direct access. 3rd paragraph: each request goes through legal channels. 4th paragraph: encourage governments to be more transparent.

Terrifying.

EDIT: It gets worse. Here's Apple: "We have never heard of PRISM. We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers, and any government agency requesting customer data must get a court order."

Here's Paltalk: "We have not heard of PRISM. Paltalk exercises extreme care to protect and secure users’ data, only responding to court orders as required to by law. Paltalk does not provide any government agency with direct access to its servers.”

Here's AOL: "We do not have any knowledge of the PRISM program. We do not disclose user information to government agencies without a court order, subpoena or formal legal process, nor do we provide any government agency with access to our servers."

And here's Yahoo: "We do not provide the government with direct access to our servers, systems, or network."

Microsoft refused to issue a direct denial of involvement in PRISM.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

#26
"Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard. Just ask. I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS." Asked how, he responds: "People just submitted it. I don't know why. They 'trust me.' Dumb fucks."

http://www.newser.com/story/88716/zuckerberg-once-mocked-dum...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

#27

> Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the US or any other government direct access to our servers. Amazing how all them, to a company, are using the "direct access" phrase. Plausible deniability for the whole world to see along with the revelation of the biggest spying operation in history.

Maybe they all share the same lawyer /s

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

#28
> to give the US or any other government direct access to our servers

"to give the US, or any other government, or any third party intermediary, direct or indirect access to our servers or our users' data"

I mean come on, I've never taken a single lesson in legal or PR and even I can see the big huge holes. They insist on direct access, they insist on servers rather than data and they insist on governments.

And that's not even taking into account the fact that most of those sentences are the same copy pasted text that we saw in Larry Page's message. If you want to make it sound like a personal message from the founder, maybe don't speak like a drone ...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

#29
1. It would be nice if these statements defined "direct access to our servers". It's safe to guess that they are using the narrowest definition possible, meaning that a NSA employee can walk into the building that Facebook's servers are hosted in and log in to any server and run arbitrary commands. This is likely not what a layman's use of "direct access" would mean. The issue is whether or not the government can access whatever user data they wish provided the correct clearance or assertions.

2. "We hadn't even heard of PRISM before yesterday."

Somehow I doubt that the National Security Agency is in the habit of telling companies that they work with the names they use for projects internally.

3. "we review each request carefully to make sure they always follow the correct processes and all applicable laws, and then only provide the information if is required by law. We will continue fighting aggressively to keep your information safe and secure."

This doesn't preclude the idea that the government accesses more Facebook user data than the general public might realize under current law. Facebook can provide large volumes of info as the PRISM slides suggest if it is indeed lawful, and this statement would not be a lie. It hinges on what exactly is "required by law", or more precisely, what is allowed under the current interpretation of the law.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg addresses PRISM

#30

> Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the US or any other government direct access to our servers. Amazing how all them, to a company, are using the "direct access" phrase. Plausible deniability for the whole world to see along with the revelation of the biggest spying operation in history.

I agree, the funny thing is Obama already admitted the programs existence (WSJ article).
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