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President Obama’s Dragnet

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Feinstein is one of the worst people in the Senate on civil liberties issues, and one of the foremost advocates of the national security state.

Ugh, I think I voted for her. :-( When is she up for reelection?

At least you're honest.

:)

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From the article: "The defense of this practice offered by Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, who as chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee is supposed to be preventing this sort of overreaching, was absurd. She said today that the authorities need this information in case someone might become a terrorist in the future." That second sentence is the one that really caught my eye: She said today that the au…

worry not about that, but whatever in the future they decide are crimes warranting the use of this information. When they decide that is serves the purpose of the government to track tax issues this way, child support, or even political donations. The real future threat is that they don't seem to have limits of retention in place.

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The New York Times did not write "The administration has now lost all credibility." You made a very misleading statement. What they actually wrote was "The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue ." (emphasis added) Quite a bit of difference there. Edit: apparently NYT did some hasty editing, I apologize--You didn't make any misleading statements[1]. [1] http://www.newsdiffs.org/diff/245566/245668/w…

The line was in an earlier edit: > "The administration has now lost all credibility." http://www.newsdiffs.org/diff/245539/245566/www.nytimes.com/...

History in the making

With the deep, unconscious sigh which not even the nearness of the telescreen could prevent him from uttering when his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. Then he unrolled and clipped together four small cylinders of paper which had already flopped out of the pneumatic tube on the right-hand side of his desk.

[...]

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

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2018. But it's exceedingly unlikely that she has a realistic challenger in either the primary or the general elections.

She'll be 85 in 2018. There's a decent chance she'll retire.

There's a decent chance she'll die before then (of old age). Even better.

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Did you vote for Ron Paul or one of the minority parties, or were you complicit in this farce?

Flip all the parties next go 'round. In a reliably red district and/or state? Vote Democrat, and vice-versa. Vote the bums out, especially the Yes on PATRIOT Act ones. The law of averages will keep the distribution we have now.

No, no no! Vote fucking independent in all cases. Fuck republican/democrat. They are a different view of the same database table.

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Said Jim Sensenbrenner, who introduced the Patriot Act : “As the author of the Patriot Act, I am extremely troubled by the F.B.I.’s interpretation of this legislation,” he said in a statement. “While I believe the Patriot Act appropriately balanced national security concerns and civil rights, I have always worried about potential abuses.” He added: “Seizing phone records of millions of innocent people is excessive an…

What a dickwad. "I'm going to introduce this thing but I'm worried about the abuses". Then don't introduce it! Of course it will eventually get abused, what law hasn't?

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Aren't you suddenly getting terrified about what the dossier created by data mining every phone call, every email, every article on every website you read, every comment you've ever left, every book you ever bought, every library book that you ever took out, the magazines that you subscribe to, every cent you've ever spent by card and where it was spent, every place you've ever lived, every place where you worked, ev…

Nope. It was obvious from the get-go that the purpose of the Patriot Act was to normalize what had previously been the domain of covert investigations of individuals. I don't personally feel terrified about it because I am too boring to become a likely object of suspicion; realistically, the chance of my being swept up in a government intelligence operation is about as likely as my being blown up by terrorists. And f…

Well, you're not likely to get show in Brazil or South Africa either but it's best to just not live in such places because if it actually happens, it's too late to react. The PATRIOT act may not have had the worst possible consequences yet (as far as we know) but it's still in effect. It's like a standing reverse lottery of misery.

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This article would have been stronger if it had contained a bit of introspection. Why did it require a UK paper to uncover this operation?

which of the major issues that the Obama Administration has the major US media broken recently? None. We have had nearly five years of a silent, complacent, if not compliant, major news media in the US. Sadly we have to resort to foreign news sources to get to the story. Don't be surprised if Al-Jazeera breaks a story before one of ours does.

It's always been like this. I left the US a decade ago and couldn't believe how different the news was once I was outside.

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I enjoy these type of comments. They mostly come from Americans who have never looked into the requirements to "leave" legally. It turns out the rest of the world has immigration laws that are just as strict or more strict than America's so unless you're young and you're filthy rich, in a very specialized field that country needs, or ridiculously good looking you're probably not welcome in country X.

Harper's magazine gave a detailed and amusing guide on "Electing to Leave" the US after Bush's reelection. It covers everything from emigrating to Canada to founding your own micronation. I finally found a copy here: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1103-29.htm

Good lord! Moving to Canada?

I grew up in Canada and the amount of political apathy there is astounding. The US might have a lot of crappy laws and politicians, but Americans seem much more politically involved than.

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> I hold out hope that this will cause several high-profile firings in the administration. Why would it? It's pretty obvious Obama's complicit in this - why would he fire those who are implementing policies that he's supporting?

When presented with new data, some people change course. I am hoping Obama falls into that class.

What will it take for Obama-ites to finally give up on the man? If you had video of him eating a baby saying "fuck america!" would that be enough, or would you still hope he could turn things around?
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