Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by Nick_C » Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 1:52 AM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #154

PommeDeTerre wrote: post #146

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I agree, this is one of the most absurd things about Mozilla's actions over the past few years. Time and time again they've gone out of their way to bring the worst of the Chrome experience to Firefox. Much of this revolves around the awful UI changes starting with Firefox 4 that have made it harder and far less efficient to use. It's pretty sad that we now have to manually enable the menu bar, and install extensions…

>Chrome clearly does perform significantly better than Firefox. While the Firefox supporters like to trumpet how Firefox is "comparable to Chrome" in the arewefastyet.com micro-benchmarks, this just isn't observed under real usage patterns. Not under my usage patterns. I rarely have fewer than 30 or so tabs open, and Chrome is simply useless for this.

Concur. I had to switch away from Chrome because of its heavy heavy use of cache that slows the entire browser down when you have several dozen tabs open.

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 3:06 AM UTC

ownagefool wrote: post #138

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #115

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The reason why X Windows was so much more popular than Mac OS X or MS Windows was because it was so configurable, right? As a matter of good design, configuration options should be used very sparingly. Yes they diversify the UX, but they also diversify the UX! Some decisions just have to be "made," like losing the title bar. > you will cross a border for another part of your customers and then somebody will come up w…

It's more of a case of good defaults vs bad defaults. When 90% of your customers will never know how to change the defaults (or never like your system enough in the first place to bother) then being served up something weird by default doesn't help your popularity.

I think that is why Firefox is ditching the title bar. It just seems weird now (but I've been using Chrome for way too long).

But configurability is not on many consumer wish lists. Ya, power users love to have it there way, but most consumers just want a good experience out of the box.

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by SiVal » Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 6:14 AM UTC

keeperofdakeys wrote: post #173

SiVal wrote: post #136

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The fullscreen API works fine. A website can display itself without any other clutter on the screen (with user permission). Unfortunately, it is no longer possible for a user on Mac OS X to cause the switch to fullscreen. The view menu (Firefox 21.0, for example, on OS X) still offers an "Enter Full Screen" menu item. Unfortunately, all it does is hide some of the chrome (it hides the menu bar and the title bar), lea…

You might need to enable the "hide toolbar" option, which can be accessed by right clicking the toolbar in the right place while in full screen. I'm unsure if this option is available on OSX.

I appreciate your making the effort to help. Unfortunately, as you suspected, it's not an option on OSX.

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by BystanderX » Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 7:36 AM UTC

DHowett wrote: post #66

And Firefox continues the inexorable march towards Chromeness by removing the actual title of the page from the window chrome. Don't get me wrong, I prefer Firefox. This just strikes me as wrong; the rest of the new UI is fine.

Now if only they would copy the separate master process (Heck, put all the renderers in one process, I don't care) so I can move tabs around without waiting five seconds per tab.