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Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

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Post by danielharan »

zeroexzeroone wrote: post #98

Who in their right mind has little kids near a protest? Saw what appeared to be a man wiping a little girl's eyes. I don't condone violence on any level and I am all for protesting but I would leave the kids with someone I trust and somewhere safe (if that is at all possible). If I get even an inkling unrest is occurring I would immediately get my daughter to safety (again, if that is at all possible).

Sometimes the protest comes near you. Tourists have been kettled in Montreal just walking out of a restaurant or in a park, held for hours without charges laid. It happened quite often last spring.

Also: you're rather quick to judge the parents, yet say nothing about the police that presumably fired at the child. Nice victim blaming.

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

#103

Post by akiselev »

mseebach wrote: post #77
alan_cx wrote: post #74

Um.... any one remember the riots in the UK a couple of years ago? The police shot dead a black suspect, kept the family out of the loop and riots kicked off all over the place. (Yes, there was a lot more to it than that) Well.... public opinion at the time wanted the UK police to act like these Turkish police. In fact, a lot of people wanted the police to be shooting these youths with plastic bullets, not to mention…

There was a very clear break between the short lived, peaceful (if hostile) and completely legitimate march following the shooting - and then the full-on rioting that followed. That said, looking at kweks' photos, it seems there could be a similar thing going on in Istanbul: In the daytime, the protest looks great, peaceful and calm, but at night, they are charging the police in a stolen excavator? The police is defi…

I don't know how much the excavator was used for overall but there are quite a few times when it ran down water trucks that were actively spraying people. If the protesters were violent towards those in the water truck or were attacking police who weren't violent themselves then they lose the high ground, but destroying property that is used to inflict brutal harm to the people they're meant to protect is justifiable as long as it is done in a way that does not harm life.

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

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Post by [deleted] »

mseebach wrote: post #77
alan_cx wrote: post #74

Um.... any one remember the riots in the UK a couple of years ago? The police shot dead a black suspect, kept the family out of the loop and riots kicked off all over the place. (Yes, there was a lot more to it than that) Well.... public opinion at the time wanted the UK police to act like these Turkish police. In fact, a lot of people wanted the police to be shooting these youths with plastic bullets, not to mention…

There was a very clear break between the short lived, peaceful (if hostile) and completely legitimate march following the shooting - and then the full-on rioting that followed. That said, looking at kweks' photos, it seems there could be a similar thing going on in Istanbul: In the daytime, the protest looks great, peaceful and calm, but at night, they are charging the police in a stolen excavator? The police is defi…

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Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

#105

Post by subsystem »

alan_cx wrote: post #74

Um.... any one remember the riots in the UK a couple of years ago? The police shot dead a black suspect, kept the family out of the loop and riots kicked off all over the place. (Yes, there was a lot more to it than that) Well.... public opinion at the time wanted the UK police to act like these Turkish police. In fact, a lot of people wanted the police to be shooting these youths with plastic bullets, not to mention…

The public doesn't know about good security work, unfortunately sometimes the police doesn't either. In most security work your objective isn't too win, it's not to loose.

This video[0] is a perfect example. It's was taken during some parade in Northern Ireland. The rioters are trying to break through police lines and, well, generally riot. Observe how the police at the top of the screen at 0:25 looses his temper and tries to go after the person in the blue hoodie. This would be an example of trying to win. He's hitting you, you want to hit him back. The problem is that you are quickly going to loose control over the situation. Worst case scenario individual officers find themselves surrounded, the line is broken, everything turns pear-shaped. This would be loosing. In this case the officer behind him quickly pulls him back in the line and talks him down. In the short term you haven't won, but more importantly you haven't lost.

Also look at the crowds reaction at 0:30 as they become even more aggressive. It's boring to fight someone who doesn't fight back. As a bonus, also look at 1:10 how the rioters form a "human chain" to not get grabbed by the police. Each person is holding the one in front of him to be able to pull him back.

[0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqfB3jlih50

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

#106

Post by croikle »

kweks wrote: post #71
sheri wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beautiful pictures! Thanks for sharing.

My pleasure. Did my best to help out the cause, and tried to remain objective in the photos I took and the text as well. I'd appreciate it if you wanted to share the link - I tried posting on the front page of HN but don't think I have enough karma (it just .. disappeared..)

Submission is at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5825443 if anyone would like to support it.

kweks: Posts start on 'new', and only rise to the front page if they get enough traction. Unfortunately, yours has been missed so far.

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

#107

Post by zeroexzeroone »

danielharan wrote: post #101
zeroexzeroone wrote: post #98

Who in their right mind has little kids near a protest? Saw what appeared to be a man wiping a little girl's eyes. I don't condone violence on any level and I am all for protesting but I would leave the kids with someone I trust and somewhere safe (if that is at all possible). If I get even an inkling unrest is occurring I would immediately get my daughter to safety (again, if that is at all possible).

Sometimes the protest comes near you. Tourists have been kettled in Montreal just walking out of a restaurant or in a park, held for hours without charges laid. It happened quite often last spring. Also: you're rather quick to judge the parents, yet say nothing about the police that presumably fired at the child. Nice victim blaming.

Hence the comments at each end of my sentence - if at all possible. Nice quick to judgment yourself there, sport.

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

#108

Post by fixxer »

rolleiflex wrote: post #99
fixxer wrote: post #84

I'm just gonna jump out there and offer a prediction: Erdogan ain't gonna be hold power till 2014. Most of those victims pictured didn't look like young anarchists/WTO protesters to me... they looked like average citizens. Even if you've got a large contingency of black bloc (I don't know if this is the case and it simply hasn't been pictured), no EU-applicant country can/should be able to get away with such behavior…

Turkey is not only an EU–applicant country, it's actively in the process of joining the EU.

I know; this is shameful.

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

#109

Post by lifeguard »

adaml_623 wrote: post #69
ayi wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because current government tries to change how we live. I think government's job is just trying to boost the economy, trying to not get into any war, paying the debts to IMF and etc. But current ruling party forces our life styles into a shape which they draw. Just one example: - Taksim Square is a famous tourist attraction centers of Istanbul. - Government first said to bars (pubs): "you can't put stalls on front of…

Is there an article you have seen in the western media that elaborates on what you've said here. I'm not finding my usual sources to be at all helpful explaining what is happening

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Turkey

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