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What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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you don't think government spending benefits anyone but politicians? So for instance, medicare only benefits politicians?

Well, Medicare is underfunded to the tune of $38T. If all of Google and Apple was liquified at current market cap and put towards funding that liability, it would be underfunded by at little more than $37T. Retroactively cancelling the Iraq and Afghanistan wars would give you cash to knock the number down to $36T. Of course people benefiting from Medicare benefits from Medicare, but "championing" Medicare benefits on…

By the same token wouldn't farming be worthless because we know the sun will explode in the future?

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How very convenient. Hand-wave it away: Maybe the police did it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I know it second hand from an acquaintance that studied Philosophy in Belgrade, Serbia. According to him it was spoken by Dragoljub Micunovic during the student protest in Belgrade during the 90-ties. This is something Milosevic was fond of doing to discredit the student protest. I know this acquaintance had no reason to lie to me, it came up in regular conversation. I don't have any archive material to corroborate b…

Oh, I'm sure it's happened in many places. But that doesn't make it an any less extraordinary claim that that explains what happened in Gezi, given the spontaneous nature of the protests. Also, by all accounts, police moved in on peaceful (if illegally congregated) protesters. The point of instigating is that you can paint the protest as violent before you move in.

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"people decide to just blow themselves up for _no_ reason" = they have established a coherent subsect of Islam which teaches that Islam requires they forever be waging war against the nonbelievers and which celebrates dying in such a war as the highest honor, giving them a very clear reason that anyone with open eyes is well aware of by now. "Jihad means war only. Fighting, with the sword." - Abdullah Azzam. "The Qur…

Good thing the folks quoted above are stupid!

First of all they give us what they love, death. Thanks! Secondly, there is no death without life...so they will always be beholden to us.

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You know, actually the US isn't that much freer in practice compared to Singapore. In theory, perhaps. And the reason has less to do with the decline of rugged individualism amongst soccer moms than the existence of a constant low-level background threat, whether from terrorism, a sizable underclass, law enforcement, or (this might be embarassing for some) alcoholism. They don't check IDs for alcohol in Singapore. If…

If you want to see actual practical examples of freedom, you have to go to western Europe. You have to go where? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/1009... I think if you want to see practical examples of freedom, you can conquer your own island and start inventing them. No modern nation is going to tolerate very much of it.

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Don't forget the right to kill people and the right to pollute the environment. Singapore doesn't allow those either.

So, are you suggesting a) that in the USA you are _legally_ allowed to kill others and to pollute? or b) that no, the USA doesn't legally allow that, but in practice it does (any stats on how many guilty people got off the hook?) or what?

Yes, you may legally kill people, either by "standing your ground", through capital punishment or by waging war. You may also pollute, and I'm leaving it up to you to figure out how, because I'm not going to bother arguing for the obvious. Hint: gasoline.

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I think he's saying "scariest in the long run," because the worst sort are (of course) much worse in the short run, but are less likely to last very long.

I sincerely doubt the sum total of human misery caused by the government in Singapore will ever exceed that caused by that of the North Korean government.

The point he's making is that a dystopia that achieves buy-in from a large portion of the population because it delivers wealth, cleanliness, and low crime, is much more likely to persist for a LONG time than a dystopia like North Korea.

You could have an authoritarian government that routinely tortures and executes political opposition and severely punishes minor crimes that ends up with the support of the majority of the populace because they like clean streets and a strong economy. That sort of government would be extremely difficult to uproot.

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This was a personal question actually. I am no supporter of current Government, but most things you say can be counter-answered. - Some press reports things less than you like. Some reports with exaggeration. Blame the first group if you want for their cowardice. If second group is alive and kicking, your point is proven to be false. - Taksim Square was actually totally closed to 1st of May events from 1978 to 2010 .…

When the events were escalating, while there were clashes between the police and thousands of protesters and hundreds were walking across a bridge over the Bosphorus only one TV channel reported these. And you are dismissing this neglect of the media by "Some press reports things less than you like. Some reports with exaggeration."??? The events unfolding at the moment shows that it was possible to celebrate the May…

When talking about press, I was talking in general. But yes, on recent events, few press focused on police brutality, and some focused on protester's vandalism. I still believe all mass media is business so I am not shocked with their behavior.

May Day issue. To me it holds water. You are dismissing the fact I told you. I put my money on this, once the re-construction is finished (if ever) I bet they will allow it. Mark this thread to remember.

Yes, I dislike the way Government's handling of press. They should never interfere. However, journalists are not being fired by PM. They are fired by their bosses. No matter what, blame and shame is on them. Also, my personal opinion, the fired journalists were mediocre at best. Perhaps they just screwed up and got fired afterwards. They could easily find places in anti-government press. Where are them now?

Sorry that you got personally effected from the Turkish Academy of Sciences issue. But from what I see Academy is very much alive and doing okay. Probably we will not reach to an agreement on this issue. I am not a believer of so called autonomous science academies. For fundamental science, I prefer actual research. And Universities are the places for that.

Also ouch!. Do you base your ideas on a single stupid project on a science fair for high schools? You are a man of Science, I would expect better.

Pardus was meant to replace MS dependency in government desktop and servers. It was funded by Tubitak. There were many full time paid developers. Initial developers were very strong - top notch. Some of them I know personally. But they left the project one by one. It was long ago. Call it miss management, or lack of vision of higher hierarchy, apparently they could not deliver afterwards. After the change of administration, group is dissolved and they went to plan-B. My point of view, Pardus was gone long before. It was not an ideological issue but a management problem. People may disagree with me, or shed light on the issues I do not know, but that is how I see this. I cannot comment on the satellite crew fired because it is hard to follow the correct information. If they were fired without a good reason, why didn't then fight using lawyers and Union? I do not know.

I do believe there is excessive nepotism and communitarianism in governmental institutions today (They may see it as their right, a form of 'revenge'. I call it bullsh*t). Of course It was there before opposing governments, even when republic was founded. There is no way of getting rid of it. Perhaps libertarians are right on this, you can only beat it by making government as small as possible. Okay I am carried away and wrote too much when I could do actually useful things instead.

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I partially disagree with your comment about corruption. This part:"Turkey on the other hand is rampant with corruption, especially the current government." Corruption on upper levels probably never disappears, but at least on the lower levels, where people really got hurt and dreaded most, things got better with current government. As someone who lived in Turkey for quite long time, I can say I was pleasantly surpri…

USA, the land of the free - land of no corruption - land of emancipator - land of liberating bombings - land of the powerful, ranks 9. Wow! Interesting map. I really do not know what this map considered as corruption. A little explanation shall sure help!

I've never had to bribe anyone, ever in the US. In my parent's home country this is absolutely not true.

I hate this overly cynical "i get all my politics and ideas from wikileaks and reddit" on how horrible the US. The US is a fairly pleasant place to live in. If you think a speeding ticket is oppression then its really time to grow up.

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Which part is false? What fact are you objecting in his post? I think what he has written is easily verifiable so there is no need to trust him or me. As far as I have checked they are accurate. As I understand, you have been protesting freely with the support from military, judiciary (it looks that recently Kemalist supreme court tried to close AKP while it had a majority in Turkish parliament and had just won anoth…

We are not minority! (It does not matter that we are the minority or not though, a true democracy has to respect the life of all minorities.) In the last election, his party gained 50% of the votes, not 80% or 90%. Unfortunately, our election system is flawed so that they can get the majority in the parliament to pass any vote they want. As an example of the flaw in the system, votes of parties who get votes below 10…

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