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The Facebook experiment has failed

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Re: The Facebook experiment has failed

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Facebook has some uses, but people can't expect it to be everything. They can't expect it to be more than it is. For me, Facebook is good at keeping in touch with friends who are far away. They may have moved to a different place, or they may be in a vacation somewhere. They post pics and impressions about a place. I also like the occasional article links people post. Sometimes people go to events and they advertise it on FB and that's how I find out about them. I might decide to join. All these are very good use-cases. I don't use FB to share very personal or deep things, because it's not a suitable medium for that. Real life conversations, in person or over the phone, are much better suited for that. So, FB is a tool, it has its uses. To call it failure is like saying the phone has failed and we shouldn't use it anymore, just because the Internet is here.

Re: The Facebook experiment has failed

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I thought everyone already knew that.

Maybe when someone will combine bittorrent and forums, something really new will come out, but for now, facebook is just one big computer cluster, where you can gossip using your real name and where everyone can read you. I don't really call it a progress. I guess paparazzis enjoy it, but not everyone is into that stuff.

Re: The Facebook experiment has failed

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People really just don't seem to understand that experiences with social media are specific to the individual. I guess it's understandable. I see the same Google Maps as everyone else does. I see the same Hacker News as everyone else who visits HN. But Facebook isn't like that. Your Facebook timeline is based entirely on your friends and how you interact with Facebook. And so, every few weeks it seems, we get these p…

Soon, you will not see the same Google Maps as everyone else:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2013/06/01/the-new...

So, enjoy your once democratic access to information.

Re: The Facebook experiment has failed

#265
I'd been off facebook for about a year. I mean not even logging in. Just a while ago, I logged in to post about ... guess what ... our second baby. I took a glance through the feed and thought "looks like nothing's changed in a year".

Then this happened -

I posted something in which I wanted to include a goo.gl shortened URL (yes, I wanted that specific shortener for geek humourous effect!). FB forbid me from using the goo.gl link because it considered it "spammy", discarded my entire post text and logged me out. When I logged back in, it declared my computer as infected with a virus (that would be a macbook air), made me confirm that I've disinfected it, and oh it made me change my password too before I could login, sigh, and retype my post text using different link. All that while I logged into FB in an incognito window in Chrome!

That's when I thought "Man! I'm glad I ditched FB!". The next thought was "what if this happens to google+?". As DanielBMarkham noted, if we really value social networks, they can't be placed in the hands of one company or site. ISPs are probably best placed to make this happen, but that won't happen due to network effects - just like folks don't bother using ISPs email accounts anyway. People would just login to FB or something. The internet as a social network seems doomed to evolve into FBs and G+s!

Re: The Facebook experiment has failed

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I have found, however, that my Facebook experience has greatly improved once I started hiding posts from people i don't care about as much from my news feed. Oddly, I've found the opposite to be true. Apart from clearing out app-request spam, streamlining my facebook feed to only the "friends I care about" tends to result in the most predictable updates. It seems to me the outer-circle friends have the most potential…

I agree. I email my friends, or see them in person so I know what's going on in their lives. Too often people only want to analyze facebook as an organizational tool. But there is a great entertainment component built in as well. You get to learn the kind of personal information about your past acquaintances that otherwise you could only get by going to a reunion. You can find out if anyone you thought would be succe…

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Re: The Facebook experiment has failed

#268

Facebook is performance art. It's a phonebook of people I lost contact with many years ago. It's also a quasi-broken emailing list program. It might be a decent advertising platform for small businesses. Don't know. It's not a news feed. It's not stories relevant to me. It's not a way to actually have friends. It's not a place where people create things and share (mostly). People might think it's those things. Hell,…

Facebook works very well for me: During my lifetime I've lived on 6 cities in 3 different countries. I've got friends (some of them, became very good friends) and people I know from all these places. Facebook allows me to stay in contact with them, and if I want, to peek at where are they know (and what are they doing). For me, it works as an "information push" platform, where sometimes I'll see an update from an old…

I have a similar situation with multiple countries and friends and family back home. Facebook is a good tool for that. Sure, the toolset itself is only ok (crashy app, opaque list-management, messy UI). But more than half of the value of Facebook is NOT the tools it provide, but the fact that almost everyone is ON it. A stellar social tool startup would be of no use to me considering it would take years before the people I need to talk to are memers, if ever.

With that said, Facebook is slowly reducing the Signal-to-Noise ratio, and it's an ominous sign for the platform as a whole.

Re: The Facebook experiment has failed

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post #85

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I'm not a heavy FB user, but having lived in various places around the world, it's one of the few ways I can passively keep in touch with what my dear friends have been up to half way around the globe. That is real value that Facebook does deliver, something I must admit despite my wide ranged mistrust and distaste for various other aspects of the service.

And that thin veil is held together by its complicated breakups, baby pictures and cat memes. If it wasnt that everyone enjoyed sharing these things id hate to think what might happen. Im in the same boat as you here. And it worries me. Imagine if we had to go back to the old days of using msn status updates and actually having to gasp converse with one another in order to get our fill of socal interaction.

I love baby pictures, they're really cute. I love seeing my friends' and family's babies grow up through pictures on FB because I can't always be there in person.

Re: The Facebook experiment has failed

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Google+ really was on to something with its circles: My friends are easily divisible into groups, and, apart from life events like getting engaged, what I want to share is only really relevant to a specific subset. I know Facebook has groups you can share specific things with, but it's not a feature Facebook has focused on, so even I don't really use it. I could use google +, but no one else does, and there's not muc…

> I could use google +, but no one else does, and there's not much of a point to shouting into an empty room. There hasn't been a generation growing up with Google+ yet.

There really wasn't with Facebook when it got a bit more public, and yet there was orders of magnitude more excitement and buzz when it expanded to certain cities. Google+ may have more users, but Facebook was one of those things that you had conversations about nearly daily, with people not even vaguely involved in the tech scene.
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