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Re: Visual Studio 2013

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That was fast.

menu still shouting

I actually prefer the all-caps menu. I find that the letters being the same height improves readability for me. I wouldn't want to read a book that way though.

It's similar to making notes by hand, I'll generally use all-caps when doing so.

Re: Visual Studio 2013

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I don't mind it. It's not like it's high-contrast, large font, or bold, it just serves as a heading for the menus they show without making the font large or bold. It's definitely nowhere near as annoying as intellisense randomly breaking and putting a red line underneath half your statements.

> intellisense randomly breaking and putting a red line underneath half your statements There's a reasonably simple solution with which you can solve the red line problem, if you're talking about the C and C++ projects: http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/5... "Posted by JoeWoodbury on 25/02/2010 at 10:16 (...) The solution is to add the location of the stdafx.h file to the include path list. T…

It happens regardless of precompiled headers, so I don't think that's the issue. I do think it's an include problem, but I don't know why.

Re: Visual Studio 2013

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Full new version or Service Packs? I agree with you but a Service Pack should suffice esp. right after you've release a full new version/update to a major product/tool like VS.

The full version vs. service pack distinction doesn't really matter to me.

It makes a lot of difference to some PHB's, though.

I'm pretty sure I can upgrade to a service pack. Changing versions, OTOH, probably requires approval from management.

Re: Visual Studio 2013

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> Often the problem with these queries is that there are not enough devs complaining to MSFT. No PM/engg manager is going to ignore a bug/problem if it shows up high in customer requests. Note that you switch between "devs" and "customer" there. I argue that the real problem is that for VS those demographics are different. Devs in "Microsoft shops" don't go out and decide on a complier, they use VS because that's all…

> ... they use VS because that's all there is On Windows there are lots of compilers to choose from.

There are other words around those words. ajross is describing a corporate environment where the choice is sometimes made for you.

Re: Visual Studio 2013

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You can install several versions of Visual Studio side by side - keep an old version for maintaining legacy projects, use a new version for new projects.

Except you cannot have .NET 4.0 and 4.5 on the same machine, given the way 4.5 overwrites 4.0.

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Not hard. But how hard would it be to make large existing codebases which have always been built by VC++ compile against them? Very. Let alone the institutional aversion to admitting their competitors have done something better than them...

Personally I've wanted a project type without a "compile" in VS for a while... mainly for other environments that serve as a client/service for the VS stuff... I often use a "website" project and uncheck it from "build" but that's not quite what is needed. Mainly, as an example, I want to be able to have my NodeJS webservice project in the same solution as my MVC website project, and the C# dll client project. The No…

Maybe you could try the Makefile Project for this : http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/txcwa2xx(v=vs.110).a... You get to decide what happens on build events as far as I remember.

Re: Visual Studio 2013

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ex-VS person here (from 5 years ago though). It is never an either-or. It is always a complex mix of what customers ask for, what the strategic priorities/market realities are. Often the problem with these queries is that there are not enough devs complaining to MSFT. No PM/engg manager is going to ignore a bug/problem if it shows up high in customer requests. On promotions - I think it's the reverse problem. People…

> Often the problem with these queries is that there are not enough devs complaining to MSFT. No PM/engg manager is going to ignore a bug/problem if it shows up high in customer requests. Note that you switch between "devs" and "customer" there. I argue that the real problem is that for VS those demographics are different. Devs in "Microsoft shops" don't go out and decide on a complier, they use VS because that's all…

>But you're right, that clearly the "devs" have preferences. The problem with your mechanism is that they don't express them to you in customer service requests. They just job-hop to another environment, doing Javascript work, or Linux, or Ruby. And you never hear from them.

>Basically, the way feedback works in this world is with feet, not bug reports. If you build it they will come. If you don't they will leave.

Is there any quantifiable metric to measure this so called exodus beyond anecdotes and the ".NET is dying" posts on here?

If there was an IDE for .NET on par with VS, it will definitely see uptake regardless of suits.

Re: Visual Studio 2013

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I wish they would dedicate more time to improving cl.exe and link.exe in terms of performance and language support and less time with these hokey team visualization gimics. Every release since 2008 has been getting slower and slower for C++, the C compiler is awful, PGO instrumentation in Win8 is less capable, and there's no equivalents in the Windows ecosystem to gcc's likely/unlikely, oprofile, or valgrind. It's at…

C is officially deprecated. Personally I would like to see proper C++11 support instead of playing around with C++/CX and while they are at it, either provide a native compiler for .NET or improve NGEN's optimizer for C++ performance level. Given that Microsoft had .NET native compilers for Singularity and Windows Phone 8 .NET apps are compiled to native code, it isn't as if they don't have the tooling already availa…

What do you mean by C being officially deprecated? As a whole this can't be possible as codes like the Linux kernel are written in C.

Re: Visual Studio 2013

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C is officially deprecated. Personally I would like to see proper C++11 support instead of playing around with C++/CX and while they are at it, either provide a native compiler for .NET or improve NGEN's optimizer for C++ performance level. Given that Microsoft had .NET native compilers for Singularity and Windows Phone 8 .NET apps are compiled to native code, it isn't as if they don't have the tooling already availa…

honest question, is the Windows kernel written in C++? If not, what does that team use to build it if "C is deprecated"?

The Windows kernel is C++. From what I've seen (shared source), it's mainly C-style C++ though. I didn't see a single template or a class in my travels.
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