I very strongly want this to work. I am very excited about the prospect of a phone/tablet OS that I hack up apps for in Javascript. But even more than that I pray for a true competitor to iOSX/Android. They just need to get this thing moving. I am planning to buy a tablet this Christmas and I want FFOS to be a very good choice by then. Come on Mozilla.
This Christmas is awfully close to R&D, Q&A and clean up the rough edges for a finished product. It's vital they get this right the first time or that would be a serious blow to it and any future competitor to the two.
Shouldn't there be outrage about Foxconn and its production practices? Seems not long ago it was a hellhole representing everything wrong about the modern tech industry - now it's perfectly fine? If so, good job by Tim Cook to pressure them into greatness in worker treatment. Right?
I can't see how this partnership is not acceptable. Firefox is an NGO for the open web not one for human rights.
I very strongly want this to work. I am very excited about the prospect of a phone/tablet OS that I hack up apps for in Javascript. But even more than that I pray for a true competitor to iOSX/Android. They just need to get this thing moving. I am planning to buy a tablet this Christmas and I want FFOS to be a very good choice by then. Come on Mozilla.
This Christmas is awfully close to R&D, Q&A and clean up the rough edges for a finished product. It's vital they get this right the first time or that would be a serious blow to it and any future competitor to the two. But I agree, it's very exciting!
Shouldn't there be outrage about Foxconn and its production practices? Seems not long ago it was a hellhole representing everything wrong about the modern tech industry - now it's perfectly fine? If so, good job by Tim Cook to pressure them into greatness in worker treatment. Right?
Yeah, I've got to say: the fact that this is being done with Foxconn leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I know the Mozilla folks never actually signed on with the whole "don't be evil" thing, but this is still something of a stain on the way they do things.
Because competing as the fifth(? - I'm counting iOS, Android, WM and BlackBerry) player in the market, having neither the brand name or market share advantage of the other players, isn't hard enough, they should also revolutionise the way electronics are produced.
Are you going to also complain about Canonical partnering with the Chinese government in creating a Ubuntu derivative[1][2]? [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuKylin [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UbuntuKylin Business relationships make for strange bedfellows, and I'm sure Mozilla has some serious preconceptions about working with Foxconn, however it should be comforting that we're moving beyond the world of Microso…
What does that have to do with Foxconn? Is it because Foxconn is in China and Mozilla is FOSS, like Ubuntu? I don't think the parent was making a comment about either China, or FOSS, but about Foxconn, Apple (their most well-known and largest customer), Mozilla, and people's perceptions of partnership with Foxconn seeming situational.
The Chinese Government's human rights record ain't exactly spotless either... I think that was the point he was making.
Shouldn't there be outrage about Foxconn and its production practices? Seems not long ago it was a hellhole representing everything wrong about the modern tech industry - now it's perfectly fine? If so, good job by Tim Cook to pressure them into greatness in worker treatment. Right?
One could consider Foxconn evil (I don't) and still recognize that it plays a very important role in the tech industry (most tech hardware gets assembled there after all) and therefor the fact that a huge player like Foxconn joins FirefoxOS could be seen as an important endorsement for Firefox and be celebrated by Firefox users/fans (which I am not). The fact that you could turn a story like that into an occasion to…
I don't see FirefoxOS as the mobile OS for "Firefox users." It transcends the choice of browser in my opinion, it becomes something grander (as in Web standards native apps, and standing for freedom in the mobile market, much as Mozilla has stood for it in the browser market, but phones are surely in much more dire need of openness these days.) I'm not a desktop Firefox user as well, but neither am I a desktop Android browser user nor a desktop Safari user. And I'm really interested in FirefoxOS, and it doesn't involve giving up my preference for Luakit and Chrome on the desktop.
Shouldn't there be outrage about Foxconn and its production practices? Seems not long ago it was a hellhole representing everything wrong about the modern tech industry - now it's perfectly fine? If so, good job by Tim Cook to pressure them into greatness in worker treatment. Right?
I can't see how this partnership is not acceptable. Firefox is an NGO for the open web not one for human rights.
Why can't they be both? I can't celebrate this, even though I like Firefox and encourage their push for open web. But any company that has to install countermeasures to prevent worker suicides on premise isn't exactly aces in my book...
I very strongly want this to work. I am very excited about the prospect of a phone/tablet OS that I hack up apps for in Javascript. But even more than that I pray for a true competitor to iOSX/Android. They just need to get this thing moving. I am planning to buy a tablet this Christmas and I want FFOS to be a very good choice by then. Come on Mozilla.
Christmas is probably too soon, unfortunately. Everything I've read has been focused on launching FxOS in emerging markets starting this Summer, then moving on to developed markets next year, once it's had time to mature and get some more polish.
Shouldn't there be outrage about Foxconn and its production practices? Seems not long ago it was a hellhole representing everything wrong about the modern tech industry - now it's perfectly fine? If so, good job by Tim Cook to pressure them into greatness in worker treatment. Right?
I can't see how this partnership is not acceptable. Firefox is an NGO for the open web not one for human rights.
Without getting involved in the whole Foxconn debate: would you take the same stance on anyone partnering with Nazis, the KKK, terrorist organisations, the apartheid, etc. based on "they are not a human rights organisation, so it's not relevant"?
I can't see how this partnership is not acceptable. Firefox is an NGO for the open web not one for human rights.
Why can't they be both? I can't celebrate this, even though I like Firefox and encourage their push for open web. But any company that has to install countermeasures to prevent worker suicides on premise isn't exactly aces in my book...