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Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?

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It's surprising how poorly paid developers are in this country, even in London. In Bristol I was able to earn £25k after graduating, but from what I've heard a lot of companies are now offering lower, around £17.5k to £20k if lucky. A lot of programmers with five years experience are still on around £25k, whereas a post-doc in Cardiff will be on around £32-35k fresh out of their PhD. Hell, friends of mine that went into sales instead of uni are on £40k, a salary I'd probably struggle to get in the next five years, even as a senior dev.

What I also don't understand is that salaries are getting lower, and hiring is getting harder. Anyone that has hired will appreciate how difficult it can be to get good developers. Given the long hours and need for learning in development it's shocking how low the salaries are, and how it's not talked about more often by UK developers.

The last time I was solely responsible for hiring was at a start-up that had just been acquired. I said that £25k was the bare minimum we should be offering for a junior to mid-level developer. We hired a really good developer, who now leads that team and landed another couple of pay rises (probably now earning a fair bit more than me). The start-up was acquired based on a product largely created by the developers, so we needed a strong developer to take over and I guarantee that if we offered the same low salary that others were offering the product would have been run into the ground.

It's really bad. In my mind, developers across the board should be on £5-10k more than they are, across the country. Hopefully within the next few years the tech industry will push towards better compensation, instead of thinking a drinks fridge and a ping pong table will win other twenty-somethings with no other commitment in life than to they hand their rent to.

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Yes, I understand this, although I don't see any difference in number of applicants when I mention the salary and when I don't (I usually don't). I'm not seeing many good people who would be ready to join if I paid them more (it happens occasionally and we usually find a compromise). My recruiters are telling me that increasing the offer wouldn't give me more applicants. However, if the harsh reality is that I must b…

Speaking personally, I would take not mentioning the salary as a signal that it's just really low.

Oh yes. Whenever I see a job advert where the salary range on offer isn't mentioned, I presume it's low, so I skip it.

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Oh, oh oh oh. You're talking about the UK (of course). I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Is the UK class system still that bad? (I'd heard horror stories but assumed they were at least somewhat overblown).

Imagine Downton Abbey with beige carpets and fluorescent lighting and that's most British companies today. Except it's not blue-blooded aristos running the show, it's old boys, school ties, golf buddies, MBAs. Contrary to popular belief the old boys network isn't actually sexist: it discriminates equally against male non-members too. Same in out politics too actually. Might not be Lord-this or Lady-that running the s…

I've worked in the UK tech industry for 15 years, none of it for an investment bank, and I don't recognise your description at all.

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But competitively is the word. They can attract software engineers at those low wages, therefore they are competitive. This seems strange to me, as it takes a few years for someone to get good at software (the supply is constricted), and where I've been involved in recruitment, finding good people is difficult. It's also interesting to see that people get paid so much more in finance, or at American companies. That i…

It's not so much that they're paying for a C++ developer, they're paying for a C++ developer (or C#/Java/whatever developer) with a certain set of skills. The sort of developers that get well paid in finance (it should be noted that there's a vast range of dev salaries in banking depending on the sort of roles being worked in with Quants, Quant/Devs and Front Office developers being very much at the top of the pile)…

YEa i think the op is ignoring the value of domain knowledge

Re: Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_brick_university One of 6 particular universities. A similar term in the USA would be something like Ivy League: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League

The analogy to the Ivy League is the Russell Group.

Damn right.

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The software industry here in London is really badly paid, for salaried jobs outside finance at least. I know plenty of developers who started at £20-25k as graduates from decent universities and whose salary has slowly risen to 40k over quite a few years. PhD graduates making £35-45k too.

also does a PhD really help when programming (serious question)?

Yes, it does if you are considering career in scientific computation.

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London has a big financial sector, so a lot of the big pay packets probably come from there - hedge funds, banks, HFT etc. See here: http://jobs.efinancialcareers.co.uk/Information_Technology.h...

I've been in working in investment banks for 10 years and I've never seen any base salaries this high. If these answers are true then they must include a very generous bonus or be at hedge funds.

Definitely hedge funds as they rely on algorithmic traders rather than traders. Interestingly BB IBs are starting to follow the trend...

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London has a big financial sector, so a lot of the big pay packets probably come from there - hedge funds, banks, HFT etc. See here: http://jobs.efinancialcareers.co.uk/Information_Technology.h...

I've been in working in investment banks for 10 years and I've never seen any base salaries this high. If these answers are true then they must include a very generous bonus or be at hedge funds.

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post #303

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London has a big financial sector, so a lot of the big pay packets probably come from there - hedge funds, banks, HFT etc. See here: http://jobs.efinancialcareers.co.uk/Information_Technology.h...

I've been in working in investment banks for 10 years and I've never seen any base salaries this high. If these answers are true then they must include a very generous bonus or be at hedge funds.

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Re: Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?

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"At least 200k" full-time , wow. For anyone who's on that type of salary, what role and industry is it? CTO-level?

London has a big financial sector, so a lot of the big pay packets probably come from there - hedge funds, banks, HFT etc. See here: http://jobs.efinancialcareers.co.uk/Information_Technology.h...

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