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Re: You can't impress developers

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Post by davewiner »

bowerbird wrote: post #142
davewiner wrote: post #53

Hacker News is going through a predictable evolution. In the early days it's a wonderful community of supportive collaborators. These are the people who start unmoderated mail lists and discussion groups, at least the ones that grow to the next stage. It attracts people who want to be part of an unmoderated mail list or discussion group. It doesn't matter what the topic is, they always show up. They feel a sense of e…

some people, when you disagree with them (or even if they _perceive_ you disagree), will incorrectly attribute your disagreement as showing "you hate everything and anything". it doesn't matter how much evidence you submit in support of your arguments, the "fact" that "you hate everything and anything" is all-purpose. is dave one of those people? decide for yourself. but i can assure you that the dynamics of communit…

Very poetic, but what does it mean????????

Re: You can't impress developers

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Post by davewiner »

demachina wrote: post #124
davewiner wrote: post #53

Hacker News is going through a predictable evolution. In the early days it's a wonderful community of supportive collaborators. These are the people who start unmoderated mail lists and discussion groups, at least the ones that grow to the next stage. It attracts people who want to be part of an unmoderated mail list or discussion group. It doesn't matter what the topic is, they always show up. They feel a sense of e…

Yet when there was a thread on here about your product, Fargo, last week you seemed to be quite fond of Hacker News, asking people on your blog to vote it up so you could get more publicity. If you don't like Hacker News why don't you stop reading it, posting to it and pointing to it in your blog multiple times a week, glowingly when its in your favor and harshly when its not. You seem to being continuing your long r…

There are a lot of lurkers here, that's what I learned from that link to Fargo. It was good for business. The commenters are mostly bizarre aliases for people who are too cowardly to put their names on their rants. There are a few real people and many of them manage to say what they have to say without getting personal. Hope that helps. :-)

Re: You can't impress developers

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Post by demachina »

davewiner wrote: post #162
demachina wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet when there was a thread on here about your product, Fargo, last week you seemed to be quite fond of Hacker News, asking people on your blog to vote it up so you could get more publicity. If you don't like Hacker News why don't you stop reading it, posting to it and pointing to it in your blog multiple times a week, glowingly when its in your favor and harshly when its not. You seem to being continuing your long r…

There are a lot of lurkers here, that's what I learned from that link to Fargo. It was good for business. The commenters are mostly bizarre aliases for people who are too cowardly to put their names on their rants. There are a few real people and many of them manage to say what they have to say without getting personal. Hope that helps. :-)

Dude… you get "personal" all the time. It takes a pretty serious double standard to be so sensitive about it when its aimed at you, versus when you are dishing it out being fine with it.

Not sure I've actually seen much aimed at you on here that is "personal". Its mostly a lot of people frustrated with you for being the actual troll while accusing everyone else of being trolls.

As for people using aliases, I think you should have actually learned the value of them considering how much time you spend on the internet trolling. Its a really, really bad idea to troll under your real identity. Its why so many people are permanently irritated with you.

At this point I think I will stop trying to offer constructive criticism. Its becoming really obvious you are a pretty classic troll, and quite good at it too. You are mostly wasting everyone's time as only a good troll can.

Re: You can't impress developers

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Post by shadowfox »

latch wrote: post #62
seabee wrote: post #48

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But you can downvote comments, if you have sufficient karma. So is the problem that the people with the power don't exercise it, or that people don't upvote the reasonable comments in a sufficient ratio to push the bad comments down? Meta-HN is not my favourite topic but perhaps it's time we had a review to account for how the community has changed since the last one.

The problem is that if someone forcefully demeans another while sounding or being authoritative, it's intimidating for others to speak up. Maybe he really does know best , they think. And, to be honest, sometimes they really do know best. When it comes down to it, it isn't about being right or wrong. If someone makes an OSS project, or a post, or anything, and you don't agree with it (or they are flat out wrong), jus…

I agree with you, especially on civility.

But I have often felt that there is confusion in some circles between being a dick and providing accurate feedback without "sugar coating" (something which a lot of people claim to provide/enjoy receiving). So I am not sure what can be done here.

Re: You can't impress developers

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Post by kevinflo »

flipcoder wrote: post #69
philjackson wrote: post #61

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I actually think Reddit's /r/programming shows that a potential downvote for everyone doesn't do anything to bring about reason. It used to be a vibrant, smart, collaborative community. Now you need the skin of a Rhino to post there.

I agree. Reddit has changed for the worse. It seems like HN is changing as well. If only there was a way of keeping out those types of people.

I think it is the quantity of the people, not the quality.

Re: You can't impress developers

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Post by davewiner »

demachina wrote: post #163
davewiner wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of lurkers here, that's what I learned from that link to Fargo. It was good for business. The commenters are mostly bizarre aliases for people who are too cowardly to put their names on their rants. There are a few real people and many of them manage to say what they have to say without getting personal. Hope that helps. :-)

Dude… you get "personal" all the time. It takes a pretty serious double standard to be so sensitive about it when its aimed at you, versus when you are dishing it out being fine with it. Not sure I've actually seen much aimed at you on here that is "personal". Its mostly a lot of people frustrated with you for being the actual troll while accusing everyone else of being trolls. As for people using aliases, I think yo…

Funny how when you get trapped in your hypocrisy you get "tired" of offering what you call constructive criticism.

Re: You can't impress developers

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Post by davewiner »

demachina wrote: post #163
davewiner wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of lurkers here, that's what I learned from that link to Fargo. It was good for business. The commenters are mostly bizarre aliases for people who are too cowardly to put their names on their rants. There are a few real people and many of them manage to say what they have to say without getting personal. Hope that helps. :-)

Dude… you get "personal" all the time. It takes a pretty serious double standard to be so sensitive about it when its aimed at you, versus when you are dishing it out being fine with it. Not sure I've actually seen much aimed at you on here that is "personal". Its mostly a lot of people frustrated with you for being the actual troll while accusing everyone else of being trolls. As for people using aliases, I think yo…

Come on say who you are! I bet it you'll feel better after.

That's a little constructive criticism back atcha. ;-)

Re: You can't impress developers

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Post by davewiner »

demachina wrote: post #163
davewiner wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of lurkers here, that's what I learned from that link to Fargo. It was good for business. The commenters are mostly bizarre aliases for people who are too cowardly to put their names on their rants. There are a few real people and many of them manage to say what they have to say without getting personal. Hope that helps. :-)

Dude… you get "personal" all the time. It takes a pretty serious double standard to be so sensitive about it when its aimed at you, versus when you are dishing it out being fine with it. Not sure I've actually seen much aimed at you on here that is "personal". Its mostly a lot of people frustrated with you for being the actual troll while accusing everyone else of being trolls. As for people using aliases, I think yo…

Come on say who you are! I bet it you'll feel better after.

That's a little constructive criticism back atcha. ;-)

Re: You can't impress developers

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Post by touristtam »

jacques_chester wrote: post #157
kaoD wrote: post #123

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Could you please point to the research? It sounds interesting.

I've been working on a tool for making PERT estimates easier and, consequently, done a bunch of reading about PERT, wherein lots of the work is of a statistical or mathematical nature. But I also ducked across to the psychological research to get a feel for the human factors. Psychologists consider estimation problems under the heading of "the planning fallacy". I intended to write a series of articles for SEO purpos…

That's for post like this that I read HN. Thanks :)

Re: You can't impress developers

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Post by demachina »

davewiner wrote: post #166
demachina wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude… you get "personal" all the time. It takes a pretty serious double standard to be so sensitive about it when its aimed at you, versus when you are dishing it out being fine with it. Not sure I've actually seen much aimed at you on here that is "personal". Its mostly a lot of people frustrated with you for being the actual troll while accusing everyone else of being trolls. As for people using aliases, I think yo…

Funny how when you get trapped in your hypocrisy you get "tired" of offering what you call constructive criticism.

Not sure I'm seeing the hypocrisy there, please expand.

I am mostly just getting tired of YOU trolling Hacker News, That is one hypocrisy I'm seeing, you complaining about trolls when you are the one doing it.

This thread just isn't productive or interesting any more. It seems to be mostly designed to get attention. Based on the posts of others you seem to have been trolling here for a while.

The other hypocrisy I'm seeing is you exploit Hacker News when it benefits you (i.e. to plug your product) and trash it when it doesn't gush praise of you, but that is normal for you.

Telling you my real identity would be silly since you are, most of the time, not a nice person to anyone who criticizes you.

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