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Emacs is Dead (2010)

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Re: Emacs is Dead (2010)

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Post by bitwize »

TylerE wrote: post #19
p4bl0 wrote: post #5

I don't believe that Emacs is dead at all. Actually, most of the problems (multithreading, libraries, file I/O) raised by this article can be solved by replacing Emacs Lisp backend with Guile, which is an active and promising project [1,2]. As for Emacs philosophy, it might even survive Emacs (in the hypothetical situation where Emacs dies) if a project such as Emacsy (the second one presented in [1]) takes off. [1]…

Why guile, which has exactly zero usage outside a few GNUtoys. Why not, e.g. Racket? If you're going to go the trouble, _get it right_.

Because Emacs is the ultimate GNUtoy.

Re: Emacs is Dead (2010)

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Post by leif »

Regarding "no multi-threading support", I have often wished for a node.js-like abstraction for event-driven processing in elisp. Seems like it could take the pain out of writing modules that want to do interesting processing or network-heavy stuff (looking at you, CEDET over TRAMP).

Re: Emacs is Dead (2010)

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Post by michaelwww »

"js2-mode is developed by an eccentric developer called Steve Yegge"

I think the translator didn't get it right when he/she called Steve Yegge "Eccentric." Google translate makes no mention of this, while Bing describes js2-mode as "unusual, which makes more sense:

"js2-mode new JavaScript for measure mode made by Developer Steve Yegge is somewhat unusual, as implemented in Emacs Lisp"

Re: Emacs is Dead (2010)

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Post by monkmartinez »

TKF is an awesome (world class?) python and emacs/elisp developer. His projects have helped tune my emacs into a decently powerful python development vehicle. However, the level of effort required to get the basic functionality of a modern IDE like Pycharm has been daunting and required hours upon hours of fiddling.

Re: Emacs is Dead (2010)

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Post by nahreally »

TylerE wrote: post #19
p4bl0 wrote: post #5

I don't believe that Emacs is dead at all. Actually, most of the problems (multithreading, libraries, file I/O) raised by this article can be solved by replacing Emacs Lisp backend with Guile, which is an active and promising project [1,2]. As for Emacs philosophy, it might even survive Emacs (in the hypothetical situation where Emacs dies) if a project such as Emacsy (the second one presented in [1]) takes off. [1]…

Why guile, which has exactly zero usage outside a few GNUtoys. Why not, e.g. Racket? If you're going to go the trouble, _get it right_.

Because it's been years in the works, it's finally about ready, and Racket only now is in everyone's mouths? Guile is now also able to run other languages as well, like Javascript, or at least so their maintainers claim.

Besides, I know that among users of fringe languages like us (you too are, I presume) this is a bit of a taboo question... but who uses Racket so much as for it to make a difference here?

Re: Emacs is Dead (2010)

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Post by melling »

p4bl0 wrote: post #5

I don't believe that Emacs is dead at all. Actually, most of the problems (multithreading, libraries, file I/O) raised by this article can be solved by replacing Emacs Lisp backend with Guile, which is an active and promising project [1,2]. As for Emacs philosophy, it might even survive Emacs (in the hypothetical situation where Emacs dies) if a project such as Emacsy (the second one presented in [1]) takes off. [1]…

Replacing Emacs Lisp with Guile has been active and promising for about a decade.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1663627/guile-and-emacs

I still use emacs a lot but these days I use IntelliJ for Java and Sublime Text for a lot of my other editing.

Re: Emacs is Dead (2010)

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Post by tkf »

michaelwww wrote: post #23

"js2-mode is developed by an eccentric developer called Steve Yegge" I think the translator didn't get it right when he/she called Steve Yegge "Eccentric." Google translate makes no mention of this, while Bing describes js2-mode as "unusual, which makes more sense: "js2-mode new JavaScript for measure mode made by Developer Steve Yegge is somewhat unusual, as implemented in Emacs Lisp"

Well, I am Japanese and I am almost sure my translation is right. But I hope calling the s/he "Eccentric" is not very rude. I just thought it is better than "unusual"... or not?

Ah, I just notice "unique" fits the context very well. Perhaps I will change that later.

Re: Emacs is Dead (2010)

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Post by pwim »

michaelwww wrote: post #23

"js2-mode is developed by an eccentric developer called Steve Yegge" I think the translator didn't get it right when he/she called Steve Yegge "Eccentric." Google translate makes no mention of this, while Bing describes js2-mode as "unusual, which makes more sense: "js2-mode new JavaScript for measure mode made by Developer Steve Yegge is somewhat unusual, as implemented in Emacs Lisp"

Actually, the phrase used in the original document, 少し変わった開発者, clearly referes to Yegge as being "a bit unusual developer".

Re: Emacs is Dead (2010)

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Post by michaelwww »

tkf wrote: post #28
michaelwww wrote: post #23

"js2-mode is developed by an eccentric developer called Steve Yegge" I think the translator didn't get it right when he/she called Steve Yegge "Eccentric." Google translate makes no mention of this, while Bing describes js2-mode as "unusual, which makes more sense: "js2-mode new JavaScript for measure mode made by Developer Steve Yegge is somewhat unusual, as implemented in Emacs Lisp"

Well, I am Japanese and I am almost sure my translation is right. But I hope calling the s/he "Eccentric" is not very rude. I just thought it is better than "unusual"... or not? Ah, I just notice "unique" fits the context very well. Perhaps I will change that later.

Richard Stallman is a true eccentric. Steve Yegge has called himself "The drunken blogger," which is unusual, but he seems pretty normal otherwise. Just outspoken. No, I don't think it is rude to call him unusual, it still feels like you were trying to say JavaScript in Emacs was unusual and not Steve Yegge, but I'll take your word for it.
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