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What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by Lifescape »

hk__2 wrote: post #168
Steko wrote: post #139

Via wiki's list of turkish newspapers ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Turkey ): http://www.zaman.com.tr/ Democratic, Islamic, Liberal ENGLISH: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ http://www.posta.com.tr/ Populism http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/anasayfa/ Nationalism, Kemalist, Centre-Right ENGLISH: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ http://www.sabah.com.tr/ Liberal Conservatism, Center-Right http://www.s…

Could you please write ‟Wikipedia” instead of ‟wiki”? There are thousands of wikis on the Web, Wikipedia is only one of them.

It says Wikipedia in the link, don't get your panties in a bunch.

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by mahmud »

thoughtcriminal wrote: post #103
bob13579 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean they're tearing down trees for new homes and jobs? The horror!

You know how long the typical suburb takes to build? About three weeks. Three weeks of seasonal employment. You know how long that natural habitat is gone for? Forever. Educate yourself on urban sprawl and "smart growth": http://www.smartgrowth.org

Forests are not gone "forever". They reclaim land as soon as foot traffic dies. I am from Mogadisho, Somalia, and none of my old neighborhood is recognizable today: it's all jungles. Trees swallowed a quarter of the old city, and another quarter is lost to encroaching desert sand. In our case, "forever" was exactly 10 years.

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by mickt »

bconway wrote: post #163
ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #118

CNN STORY (with images): http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/02/world/europe/turkey-protests/i... It's now a full blown anti-government riot. The park issue was just the last straw that set it off. The original poster was telling the truth now stop arguing about shopping malls.

When I see stories like this, I'm always impressed at the wide availability of gas masks. Are we even allowed to own those in the States?* *Yes, I know how sad of a question that is.

Go to any "Army, Navy" store (they sell old military uniforms etc).

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by manishsharan »

I have sympathy for the protesters but I do wish they had protested just as vehemently when the government began to silence the Press. A Free Press does not guarantee democracy but it does bark loudly and fiercely when it senses danger to the democracy.

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Post by blhack »

bconway wrote: post #163
ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #118

CNN STORY (with images): http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/02/world/europe/turkey-protests/i... It's now a full blown anti-government riot. The park issue was just the last straw that set it off. The original poster was telling the truth now stop arguing about shopping malls.

When I see stories like this, I'm always impressed at the wide availability of gas masks. Are we even allowed to own those in the States?* *Yes, I know how sad of a question that is.

Of course we're "allowed" to own them in the United States...

Despite what people on reddit, and other fringe internet forums would have you believe, The United States has some of the strongest personal liberties in the world.

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by trotsky »

mseebach wrote: post #143
monsterix wrote: post #6

> Two young people were run over by the tanks and were killed. That is extremely serious. My condolences with those who lost their lives, and best wishes for your friend to recover from her injury. While we all discuss and throw ourselves around when a dying industry (read Hollywood) misbehaves and tries to screw with our Internet freedoms, free speech etc. I wonder what would when happen when the same fate, and it i…

"We" don't really do anything consistently. When it's Hollywood or SOPA or NSLs or wiretaps "we" are passionately anti-government, when it's AirBnB or Uber flaunting local restrictions, "we" are very skeptical and when it's Google not paying enough tax, "we" are government cheerleaders. That said: > A dying model of Governance could take things to a rather unprecedented level of nastiness and cruelty. You haven't pai…

Doesn't that just sound like "we're" pro citizen?

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by berkay »

One of the more hackernews relevant aspects of this event is the role of the media. Turkey has a very robust media, with dozens of TV stations and newspapers, yet there are no laws preventing the media from participating other commercial activities, or owning both newspapers and TV stations, etc. In fact, most of the media is owned by large corporations. Add to this the large role the government plays in the economy, it's almost inevitable that media is corrupt and avoids going against the government.

Even with that background, the reporting by the mainstream media about the events of the last couple of days has been a disgrace, and social media is filling the void.

The following is the most insightful analysis I've seen on this topic "Is there a Social-Media Fueled Protest Style? An Analysis From #jan25 to #geziparki "http://technosociology.org/?p=1255

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by mathieuh »

The police are basically treating this like war. Remember this the next time someone says we should treat the police with respect because they're 'just doing their job'. It's not a stick with a worker at both ends, it a stick with a worker at one end and the state at the other.

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by saurabhnanda »

Why don't people identify the policemen and make their social life (outside of their police duty) a living hell. Bully their kids in school, boycott their spouses, refuse to do any kind of business with them (no groceries, no milk, etc.)

At some point people have to be held personally responsible for their wrong doings. They shouldn't be absolved of personal responsibility just because they're in the police force, which is being commanded by some nutcrack dictator.

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