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What is Happening in Istanbul?
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Strange kneejerk reaction since the commenter is from Pakistan. If he has some actual reason to believe this I'd like to hear it for discussion's sake.
Not knee jerk reaction, my mistake I did not expain at first place as I wrongly assumed readers would like to make attempts to learn facts.
Clearly from my comments you would see that I am interested in learning facts so don't act so wounded. However, so far all you have presented is the idea that if the US sponsors some protests against an Islamic government, all protests against Islamic governments are created by US sponsorship. It's not very convincing without evidence.
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#143> Two young people were run over by the tanks and were killed. That is extremely serious. My condolences with those who lost their lives, and best wishes for your friend to recover from her injury. While we all discuss and throw ourselves around when a dying industry (read Hollywood) misbehaves and tries to screw with our Internet freedoms, free speech etc. I wonder what would when happen when the same fate, and it i…
"We" don't really do anything consistently. When it's Hollywood or SOPA or NSLs or wiretaps "we" are passionately anti-government, when it's AirBnB or Uber flaunting local restrictions, "we" are very skeptical and when it's Google not paying enough tax, "we" are government cheerleaders.
That said:
> A dying model of Governance could take things to a rather unprecedented level of nastiness and cruelty.
You haven't paid much attention these last 250 years?
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#144Via wiki's list of turkish newspapers ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Turkey ): http://www.zaman.com.tr/ Democratic, Islamic, Liberal ENGLISH: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ http://www.posta.com.tr/ Populism http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/anasayfa/ Nationalism, Kemalist, Centre-Right ENGLISH: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ http://www.sabah.com.tr/ Liberal Conservatism, Center-Right http://www.s…
What is the significance of being Kemalist?
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#145This is disgusting, the "right" to profit/property is the least important thing, it should never trump people's well-being or the environment.
Yet a democratically-elected government made a decision in the name of the people to replace this park with a shopping mall. People protesting against that by blocking the construction process (i.e. stand in front of bulldozers etc.) are effectively overturning democracy in order to protect their personal interests. This is a general problem I have with such active counter-protests, be they to stop a station from bei…
> Yet a democratically-elected government made a decision in the name of the people to replace this park with a shopping mall.
So what? If yours "democratically-elected government" orders you("in the name of the people", of course) to kill jews, will you comply?
> are effectively overturning democracy in order to protect their personal interests.
So what? When majority votes, does it protect personal interests of someone else?
> e.g. Art. 20.4 of the German Basic Law – does the Turkish constitution have a similar provision?
You have so much subordination to government-made law, so even if you would really want to overthrow tyrannic government, you would stop because there is no law allowing you to revolt?
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#146Aljezera has had this story in their line-up for a couple f days now, not sure what they said about it because I wasn't overly concerned. Nothing on BBC though. So atleast one international news organisation is getting the word out.
Nothing? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22744728 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22744895 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22740506 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20028295 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22740038 Why would you say something so absolute with out even checking? Are you one of those weirdo instant BBC haters?
It wasn't in the news, atleast that I saw. It wasn't a headlining on TV
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Muslim democratic state. There are very, very few religious democracies, and if you only consider those both officially and effectively religious, I won’t be able to name a single one.
Turkey was famously founded as a secular state ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La%C3%AFcit%C3%A9#Turkey ). Things may have changed, but still ... "Muslim" probably just refers to the fact that most people living there are muslim.
I believe this is still a large portion this is Greek Orthodox Christians as well. Yet I do believe the majority are indeed Muslims.
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#148This is disgusting, the "right" to profit/property is the least important thing, it should never trump people's well-being or the environment.
Yet a democratically-elected government made a decision in the name of the people to replace this park with a shopping mall. People protesting against that by blocking the construction process (i.e. stand in front of bulldozers etc.) are effectively overturning democracy in order to protect their personal interests. This is a general problem I have with such active counter-protests, be they to stop a station from bei…
I feel I'm missing something from your comment. Are you suggesting anybody democratically elected get their personal views ("in the name of the people") backed by that democracy? I don't think getting elected means that the people deem you infallible for your term in your typical democracy?
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#149Via wiki's list of turkish newspapers ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Turkey ): http://www.zaman.com.tr/ Democratic, Islamic, Liberal ENGLISH: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ http://www.posta.com.tr/ Populism http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/anasayfa/ Nationalism, Kemalist, Centre-Right ENGLISH: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ http://www.sabah.com.tr/ Liberal Conservatism, Center-Right http://www.s…
What is the significance of being Kemalist?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalism
Ideology that Kemalism brings defines the fundamental principles of Turkish Republic.
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#150I recommend - http://occupygezipics.tumblr.com/ What puzzle me the most, is the voluntary cooperation of the media with the government. Even if the media does not support this event, how they not cover it at all? sad, I always thought of Turkey as the most successful example of a Muslim democratic state.
> Muslim democratic state. There are very, very few religious democracies, and if you only consider those both officially and effectively religious, I won’t be able to name a single one.
I think this description was more akin to describing the USA or Germany as “Christian democratic states” as a majority in both of those are Christians. It doesn’t mean that Christianity is the state religion or something.
Turkey has been a successful majority Muslim but very secular and democratic state for a very long time. Maybe that’s changing …
(Ah, decisions, decisions. Sometimes I think the EU should have accelerated making a move on letting Turkey join. There are substantial risks associated with that, sure, but I also think that the EU would have had a significant chance of changing the trajectory Turkey is on.)