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Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by pknerd »

pknerd wrote: post #2

Another sponsored revolution.

downvoting shows the ability to reject someone w/o knowing the reason but it does not make any difference.

The so called Egypt Revolution was also backed by US initially to kick Mobarak out. Later things got out of control when Ikhwan got dominated.

The so called protest is nothing but an attempt to sabotage Erdogan govt after his recent Islamic moves. Nobody is seeing the fact Erdogan helped Turkey to getrid of IMF and put turkey on right direction.

Thousands of people are protesting in Bangladesh against cruel government who has killed thousands of Muslims so far. Since the govt is secular hence their evil doings are not being promoted anywhere including so called unbaised social media.

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by brownbat »

So many questions...

How does a NIMBY protest turn into Tiananmen Square? Does someone in government actually say, "They don't want malls? THEN GIVE THEM TANKS!!!"

Why would a government that has "sold out to corporations" restrict the sale of lipstick and alcohol?

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by pknerd »

dasil003 wrote: post #27
varjag wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people find it deeply unsettling that someone could hold different political views sincerely. They cope with it by assuming the others are compensated in some form for their abnormal behavior. When I protested in my homeland I heard accusations of being paid to do this, even the price was specified ($20). Twenty bucks to go into a harsh cold night to be assaulted by police and possibly imprisoned on terrorism ch…

Strange kneejerk reaction since the commenter is from Pakistan. If he has some actual reason to believe this I'd like to hear it for discussion's sake.

Not knee jerk reaction, my mistake I did not expain at first place as I wrongly assumed readers would like to make attempts to learn facts.

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by [deleted] »

dasil003 wrote: post #27
varjag wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people find it deeply unsettling that someone could hold different political views sincerely. They cope with it by assuming the others are compensated in some form for their abnormal behavior. When I protested in my homeland I heard accusations of being paid to do this, even the price was specified ($20). Twenty bucks to go into a harsh cold night to be assaulted by police and possibly imprisoned on terrorism ch…

Strange kneejerk reaction since the commenter is from Pakistan. If he has some actual reason to believe this I'd like to hear it for discussion's sake.

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Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by chris_wot »

chris_wot wrote: post #33
joshuahedlund wrote: post #21

One of the most challenging aspects of learning about important, under-reported events is correcting for the biases of individuals who are reporting on it For example, while there are no doubt many shopping malls in Istanbul, I doubt there is "at least one in every neighborhood!" (unless that word is better translated as something more like a suburb) This makes it harder to trust all of the details of the more seriou…

It's hyperbole. I think most people can see through "at least one in every neighborhood" as an emotional response to what is happening.

Really? Downvotes for this comment? Curious as to why.

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by pathy »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #109
yk wrote: post #82

Can someone perhaps comment on the alleged use of agent orange? [1] From my limited knowledge of chemical weapons ( in lack of a better word), it is an deforestation chemical, and has no direct use for riot control. So currently my take is, that this is a rumor, since its use would better fit into the narrative than into a plausible police strategy. [1] for example: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1fi07t/i…

I'd find Agent Orange hard to believe, given that it did a bit more than deforestation in Vietnam. The Redditor describes it as "a derivative of the Vietnam era deforestation chemical Agent Orange. It is incredibly toxic and forbidden by the UN after the horrific effects it had on both the Vietnamese and Americans exposed to it.", but derived from could mean anything really. I'd find it hard to believe that anything…

my memory is a bit hazy but wasn't the most dangerous part of agent orange the fact that it was contaminated with very toxic dioxins rather than the toxic properties of 'clean' agent orange?

Why would Turkey resort to chemical warfare when they don't have to, why risk the wrath of the international community when you can 'just' use tear gas and such?

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by glurgh »

iaskwhy wrote: post #98
glurgh wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you can type them into google doesn't mean they're 'easily researchable'. How many shopping malls in NYC? https://maps.google.com/maps?q=shopping+mall&hl=en&l... These results seem pretty lousy and not particularly different from those from Istanbul.

Well, I've been to both cities for two weeks and I didn't find any mall in NYC (I'm sure there must be some, I just didn't find them) while in Istanbul they are really everywhere, you cannot ignore them if not only because they are usually guarded by security people with riffles. Here's a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shopping_malls_in_Istan... They are usually huge. I was very surprise because in my hom…

I don't have any trouble believing there are many malls in Istanbul. I do have some trouble believing you can reasonably answer whether they are too many by just checking on the internet. In fact, as you point out, it's possible to visit NYC and not notice how many there are.

I also have some difficulty with the idea that people are heading out to the streets, risking life and limb, in multiple cities across Turkey just because of a mall in Istanbul.

The notion that we can figure this out just by hitting google maps seems obviously wrong.

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