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Why Stuff From China Is So Cheap

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Re: Why Stuff From China Is So Cheap

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This post (like many others) completely ignores the fact that these people choose to work in this environment. Statistics show that factory / industrial workers in China are doing better than those who stay in rural jobs. Human development indicators in China have constantly risen since the 1980's [1] and the economy is booming [2].

These sweatshops are horrific to our standards, but to their standards, these are great places to work.

[1]: http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/CHN.html [2]: https://www.google.fi/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&#...

Re: Why Stuff From China Is So Cheap

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It really is in the power of the consumer to force companies to change. The heads of corporations are required and expected to be seeking out the highest possible returns for their investors. If their competitors use foreign labor with very cheap standards then that company is at a disadvantage in the marketplace. Only when consumers take into account the working conditions of the laborers does the marketplace change and that empowers/forces heads of companies to change so that they can continue to bring maximum returns. Terrible tragedies like this have to be revealed thank you for brining this up.

Re: Why Stuff From China Is So Cheap

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>Western companies doing business with China and other 3rd world countries should demand compliance with the client countries’ OSHA regulations, ditto when looking at things like labor laws (minimum age for instance) and so on

I think part of the difficulty here is that supply chains are often very long and complex, across many countries. Companies often have no idea where their parts or materials really come from, although this may often be wilful ignorance. They do seem to have some legal obligation to know where things are coming from[1]. George Monbiot wrote a couple[2][3] of articles recently about trying to find out where the materials in smartphones are really coming from:

Of the manufacturers, Nokia appears to have gone furthest, and its efforts are quite impressive. Since 2001 – long before most other companies began to take an interest – it has tried to remove illegally mined tantalum from its supply chain. It now instructs its suppliers to map the routes these metals take before they reach the company. The problem is far from solved: it tells me that "there has been no credible system in the electronics industry that allows a company to determine the source of their material"

Apple's response was less detailed and less persuasive. To give you an idea of how complex the problem has become, it has discovered that its metals are supplied by 211 smelters, liberally distributed around the planet. Any of them could be using minerals seized by militias in Congo.

As you can probably guess, he ended up not buying a smartphone.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd_Frank_Act#Disclosures_on_...

[2] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/11/search-s...

[3] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/25/smartpho...

Re: Why Stuff From China Is So Cheap

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post #11

This post (like many others) completely ignores the fact that these people choose to work in this environment. Statistics show that factory / industrial workers in China are doing better than those who stay in rural jobs. Human development indicators in China have constantly risen since the 1980's [1] and the economy is booming [2]. These sweatshops are horrific to our standards, but to their standards, these are gre…

...and there we go, the proverbial, libertarian "choice".

Re: Why Stuff From China Is So Cheap

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This is a very very sad video and it made feel sorry for the human lifes that were destroyed in this incident. And still, this is not really a problem about work-place safety. I can only assume that this was an honest mistake, of the workers and maybe the employers to do whatever they were trying to do and forget the high power line. We might also ask if these workers even knew how electric power works and why you shouldn't connect a high power line with a metal construction to the ground (or whatever it was here).

Workplace safety in China still is very bad. No joke about that...

Re: Why Stuff From China Is So Cheap

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post #11

This post (like many others) completely ignores the fact that these people choose to work in this environment. Statistics show that factory / industrial workers in China are doing better than those who stay in rural jobs. Human development indicators in China have constantly risen since the 1980's [1] and the economy is booming [2]. These sweatshops are horrific to our standards, but to their standards, these are gre…

I appreciate your point and over simplification doesn't make any argument better- but I have often heard the counter argument of "choice" as one that rationalizes horrific conditions. If the choice is between dangerous working conditions or a job that does not pay enough to give your children opportunities many (if not most) people will choose to sacrifice during this generation for the next, it is clear that the financial incentives for every group (manufacturers, laborers, and consumers) and yes standards of living are better but consumers at a minimum should be informed that their is a hidden cost to the cheaper goods... and that they could make different choices or pressure their companies to improve conditions.

Re: Why Stuff From China Is So Cheap

#20

Disregard for human life in the People's Republics (not just China) precedes cheap stuff from Asia by decades.

It's actually the same disregard for human life that could be seen in the not so distant past in Europe or America. But youtube wasn't around back then.
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